"One day... we are going to give someone a real tonking'."
If there’s one thing Sutton United fans know, it’s that football is never straightforward. In this episode of Sutton United Talk Time on Podcast, I sat down with Jenny to chat about Sutton’s 1-1 draw at Solihull Moors, reflect on classic matches from the past, and look ahead to the upcoming fixture at Maidenhead United.
Mike Dowling
00:58 - 01:29
Hello, and welcome to another episode of Sutton United Talk Time on podcast. It's the Sutton podcast in association with Lucky Star Gin. I'm your host, Mike. And with me today, we have Jenny. In this episode, we're going to discuss the 1-1 loss at Solihill and look forward to the away trip at Maidenhead. You're frowning because everyone feels it's a loss. Everyone thinks it's a loss. It was a draw, but everyone's moaning like it's a loss. We love hearing from you and join the conversation, tag us at Sutton Podcast on social medias, share, likes, all the other stuff that we love.
Mike Dowling
01:30 - 01:40
Now, Jenny, it's been a while since you were on. I know how you are, but let everyone know how you've been for, I don't know, I can't remember the last time you were on, but let everyone know how you've been.
Jenny
01:40 - 01:44
I should have been on when we played Halifax in November and it was cancelled.
Mike Dowling
01:46 - 01:46
OK,
Jenny
01:46 - 01:50
but I was already in Halifax in the snow. Great.
Mike Dowling
01:50 - 01:50
Anyway, and I
Jenny
01:50 - 02:08
couldn't. Yeah, I couldn't make the return match. I had a dental appointment the next day. So anyway, but apart from that, everything is fine because I'm retired. You should know retirement life is wonderful life. I highly recommend it. Sorry, all you workers out there.
Mike Dowling
02:08 - 02:57
Yeah, yeah, we're paying for that. Yeah, right. I sent you some homework a couple of hours ago. Remind me, but it's annoying me knowing your question. So a little bit more time. What a jingle place. So I kind of did, I do these questions set in advance. So maybe I planned ahead. I doubt it, but it's a good question because the club asked this earlier as well. Which game from our history would you love to watch again for the first time and why? This was a slightly different version of it, but basically a lot of people have been thinking about Sutton United today because it's the birthday.
Mike Dowling
02:58 - 03:02
But which game from our history would you love to watch for the first time again and why?
Jenny
03:03 - 03:16
Well, firstly, let me say, I know there's always someone on here that goes, can I have two? So because I've been supporting them for a bit of a while, I want to
Speaker 1
03:16 - 03:16
choose
Jenny
03:16 - 03:34
one from back in the day, last century and one from this century. And I was thinking about it. And, you know, I'd love to see when we played Hillingdon Borough, which was the match we won before we went on to play Leeds United in 1970. I
Speaker 1
03:35 - 03:36
remember
Jenny
03:36 - 03:46
I was standing with my dad where, I was thinking about that because the ground has changed, but where the disabled bus, you
Speaker 3
03:46 - 03:46
know, bike
Jenny
03:46 - 04:05
shed is, I was standing there with my dad and we played Hillingdon Borough and because we won it, it was a fantastic atmosphere, but for my sins, I've can't remember much about it, but I know it was brilliant and we knew what we'd be getting if we won. So I'd love to see that again. Love
Speaker 3
04:05 - 04:05
to
Jenny
04:05 - 04:31
see that again. And coming up today. You everyone will guess I would like to see either one of our matches when we beat Swindon Town at Gander Green Lane. Probably the one where the first time, last season, it was fairly easy. They weren't very good. We beat them 3-1, but when we beat them 2-1. The Valentine's one. Yeah.
Speaker 3
04:31 - 04:31
Yeah.
Jenny
04:32 - 04:33
Oh, because it was
Speaker 3
04:33 - 04:33
a
Jenny
04:33 - 04:35
very late goal. I mean, we equalized quite
Mike Dowling
04:35 - 04:35
late. And
Jenny
04:35 - 04:39
then, and I'm like, so that one. Yeah. Give me that one again.
Mike Dowling
04:40 - 04:44
Yeah. They were winning 1-0 till quite late. Yeah, they were. And then
Jenny
04:44 - 05:19
we equalized. And in fact, I was sitting, funny enough, which I rarely do, in the grandstand on the right-hand side, if you're facing, looking at the pitch, and Will Randall was sitting just opposite. I think he was injured. There's a surprise. No, I think he was injured. And I can remember, I'm like, I can't believe it. And he did give me a smile. But yeah, when we beat them the first time, 2-1, I waited forever for that to happen. And we did it. So, but Hillingdon Borough from the seventies, I'll be on it. I know we won, obviously fantastic, but I can't remember that much about
Mike Dowling
05:19 - 05:19
it. So I'd
Jenny
05:19 - 05:22
love to see it again. It was good. I know it was good.
Mike Dowling
05:23 - 05:44
That Swindon one, because it was Valentine's night, I did sort of say, do you have any plans? And she was like, no. And I said, oh, great. I'm going to football. She's like, well, I'll come with you. And she's standing there, she's quite nonplussed the whole thing. And then we scored late and then we scored another one. Next thing, she's flipping the visa and going, you're not singing anymore. And I was like, Jesus, one match every now and then, and you suddenly turn into a hooligan. Well, I did
Jenny
05:44 - 05:59
actually bring a guy from Swindon with me who's a Reading supporter. And I said to him, do you want to come? And he said, That's my perfect evening. He said, because I want to see Swindon lose. He said, but actually, if Sutton lose, that'd do me just fine
Speaker 3
05:59 - 06:00
as well.
Jenny
06:01 - 06:09
So he said, I'm going to have a perfect evening. And of course we won. And he went, well, yeah, we said, I'm slightly happier if you know that you won, because he doesn't like Swindon either.
Mike Dowling
06:13 - 06:37
I chickened out of this because I was sitting here again thinking right there's loads of games, there's big games like the Coventry game, there's the Wimbledon one, there's the Hartlepool and I'm like well actually if you're watching it for the first time you don't have the sort of thing of I know the results so I'd still be that bundle of nerves the whole time the way through anyway. So I'm like I don't know if there's any of them I'd love to watch again. I mean the Hartlepool one is big because obviously Well, I could have thought,
Jenny
06:37 - 06:46
yeah, I thought of that, but the thing is with the, like you said about if you didn't know the result, though I can't remember much of it, I knew that if we won, we'd be playing Leeds United,
Mike Dowling
06:46 - 07:15
you see, so. Yeah, that game was Wimbledon away. Yeah, yeah. A few years back, you knew we were going to play Leeds United again. But yeah, let us know your thoughts, let us know which game you'd love to watch again for the first time and importantly, why? um club news there's only one thing to say really again happy birthday to Sutton United 127 years ago today we got the cheapest caps we could find and they were amber and chocolate and um they're still playing in amber and chocolate and still being cheap um
Jenny
07:16 - 07:21
that's why you and me are on because if we had our ages up we'd probably be a hundred and yeah anyway
Mike Dowling
07:23 - 07:52
I'm a young step of a man. I have to think every day. And then how old am I? I'm not. So on to last night. You were at the game. I was in the bar and getting it all set up for all the massive crowds. And for quite a long time, it was just me there. And then one person rocked up and then Nick turned up and I was like, OK, I think it was only about 12. It's a good one. I know there's a few people there, so it's good if you want to watch the away games.
Mike Dowling
07:52 - 07:55
They're showing it in the bar. Can I just ask, we
Jenny
07:56 - 08:03
were checking, you know, the phones at some time, there was a problem getting the feed through some of it.
Speaker 3
08:03 - 08:04
Not for me.
Jenny
08:04 - 08:06
Not for you. Oh, perfect.
Speaker 3
08:06 - 08:06
I know
Jenny
08:06 - 08:12
on some people's computers, they were struggling with the stream coming through and
Mike Dowling
08:12 - 08:13
we were just laughing. We
Jenny
08:13 - 08:14
said we should have been here then, shouldn't you?
Mike Dowling
08:14 - 08:16
Yeah, looking at the IT expert here.
Jenny
08:18 - 08:21
Probably. But it was alright. Did you have quite a few people there?
Mike Dowling
08:22 - 08:43
Yeah, there wasn't as many as the previous one, but hopefully more will come to the next ones, but we'll see. But what were you thinking about the line-up? I mean, we had a few people back, a few people not cup-tied, not injured, back from suspension. How were you feeling ahead of the game and what were your expectations to the game?
Jenny
08:44 - 08:50
Well, ahead of the game. Well, also, can I just said, and I was very proud of this. I'm on. I downloaded that at Fan Hub.
Mike Dowling
08:51 - 08:52
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Jenny
08:52 - 08:54
Yeah. And you can predict the lineup.
Mike Dowling
08:55 - 08:55
Mm hmm.
Jenny
08:56 - 09:32
And I got two wrong. So I got nine out of the 11. I'm like, whoo. I can't. Yeah, I had Oh, I'd sit you in. Well, I would, wouldn't I? And obviously he was a sub, so that blew that out of the water. No, but so I expected those people that could come back who'd like had a ban through bookings to to be playing again. My my expectations, because we were so funny enough, because we were so near in the league, the one
Mike Dowling
09:49 - 09:52
I expect us to lose. I hope we win. Oh, no, I don't
Jenny
09:52 - 10:03
know. I expect us to win. I get over whatever the problem was Saturday or whatever, you know, by the time I'm back to the next match, it's like, this is where the bounce back, you know what I mean? They always
Speaker 1
10:03 - 10:04
say,
Jenny
10:04 - 10:05
if you lost a match,
Speaker 1
10:05 - 10:05
you know,
Jenny
10:05 - 10:11
managers will, managers will say, we want to get straight back out on the pitch and we've luckily we've got
Mike Dowling
10:11 - 10:11
a
Jenny
10:11 - 10:15
Tuesday match here. So I thought, yeah, they're going out there. They want to get it out of their system.
Mike Dowling
10:16 - 10:23
Yeah. Um, I mean, we get out of the system, we did quite well very early on. We
Speaker 1
10:23 - 10:24
did,
Mike Dowling
10:24 - 10:42
don't we always? Yeah, Vaz scoring his fourth, fifth of the season. I think it was Dylan who had crossed that in for him. How are you feeling at this point and what do you think about the goal? Was that in front of you guys or were you spread around last night?
Jenny
10:42 - 11:15
No, no. Well, yeah, I mean, that could be one of my things later, but I can add it as well. Yeah. No segregation. Oh, bliss. It was like really going back in time. Nah, what a club. Yeah. No. So I went, I sort of sat on the sides to start with, but then I went behind the goal, which was great because yeah, saw it. Dylan, I'm going to say early and I'll say it again, but him or Vaz, but my man of the match, Dylan, as far as I was concerned, and I can explain little bits later why.
Jenny
11:15 - 11:46
But yeah, went down the wing, sort of got it across to Vaz. And I mean, if even looking back on the highlights, when I was there, yeah, I wouldn't say it was lucky to go in, but it went through. Maybe the goalkeeper was a bit unsighted. It was sort of weird. You know, it was not an untidy goal. It was brilliant. But I was surprised. I think I was surprised when it actually got through and it went in the net. I thought brilliant. No, good for him. You know, excellent. Good start.
Mike Dowling
11:47 - 12:01
This is going to jump around now. I'm not doing it low by below anymore. But what did you think of Dylan? I mean, you already hinted at what you thought Dylan's performance. And I think J.R. also said last night, best performance in a Sutton shirt. Oh,
Jenny
12:02 - 12:45
yeah. Yeah. I think he's getting back to his best. I'm glad he started because I know he's been coming on a sub on thing. And in a sense, when he started going down the wing, giving their defenders a nightmare, and he was getting past them and crossing. I don't know, I felt like I noticed after they'd equalized, it was, and some of the time it's as if he wasn't taking people on again. And I know in the second half, we were sitting down the side that we were, I didn't go behind the goal. and he was coming down where we were, our wing.
Jenny
12:46 - 13:16
All the time we're going, go on Dylan, take him on, take him on. And he did, he started to again and he was beating them, you know, and that's why, so I don't know, not be rude, but I don't know whether their goal, not the stuffing out, but I can always remember something Josh Coley said was that from last season is they sometimes know what to do, but they get nervous that it's going to go wrong. I
Speaker 3
13:16 - 13:16
don't know if you can
Jenny
13:16 - 13:33
remember something, and I've always remembered that, because that goal went in and it was a sloppy goal really. I just wonder, you're all human, whether it's like, Oh, I don't know if I don't get past him and he wins the ball, you know, it's all a mental
Mike Dowling
13:33 - 13:33
thing.
Jenny
13:33 - 13:34
Yeah, of course.
Mike Dowling
13:34 - 13:34
Yeah.
Jenny
13:34 - 13:39
Yeah. And I always remember what Josh said about that, because you can nearly see that happening.
Mike Dowling
13:40 - 13:40
Yeah.
Jenny
13:40 - 13:40
Sometimes.
Mike Dowling
13:41 - 13:42
Yeah. When
Jenny
13:42 - 14:05
his confidence is there. No. And I thought, oh, he was beating the man's down. And there's one little thing I just wish. And I think it was about 80 minutes. I got this guy's name, it was double-barreled. His name was... the Solihull player, Rhys Hall-Johnson, got booked because...
Mike Dowling
14:05 - 14:06
Yeah, quite late.
Jenny
14:07 - 14:20
Yeah, Dylan had passed him again and he brought him down. Oh, if only he'd been booked a bit earlier because that would have ripped. We could have had a field day because he would
Speaker 1
14:20 - 14:20
have
Jenny
14:20 - 14:50
then been wary of fouling him again, because he would have been sent off. But yeah, Dylan had his number every hour. And that's why he fouled him so many times. He got a card in the end. But yeah, Dylan was he was good. And I think it's to do with confidence. And I love his new hairstyle and I told him that. So, you know, but now for me, I know that a lot of people went for Vaz. I had a quick look at that. But for me, it was Dylan. The way he was going down that wing, beating him.
Jenny
14:50 - 14:50
No
Mike Dowling
14:50 - 15:14
problem. A lot of people go for the goal scorer on these things anyway. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll stick with that for a minute before we start talking about the goal that we conceded. He had a fairly good penalty shot as well. Now, There's been comments on the referee's performance. Yeah. Francis even mentioned we were playing against 12 men. Now,
Jenny
15:15 - 15:16
Francis, if she
Mike Dowling
15:16 - 15:17
must be bad, it
Jenny
15:18 - 15:21
is. I got comments about the referees as well. Yeah.
Mike Dowling
15:22 - 15:28
Did it feel did it feel like that there that the referee was inconsistent and slightly home home biased?
Jenny
15:30 - 15:50
Well, one of the things that did annoy me very much, and I thought it was so noticeable, and it's partly how we play, and there's a bit I would love to say about that. I've got my own views on it. Many, many times when we had free kicks, we wanted to take them quick.
Mike Dowling
15:51 - 15:51
And
Jenny
15:51 - 16:13
the referee wouldn't let us. I don't know if you noticed, I mean, it was very noticeable because we could hear him and he was going, no, wait, wait. Right. And many of the time the lads put the ball down, ready to kick it there. And he would stand in front of them or he'd bring the ball back. And I would say that was probably 90% of the time. That meant that Solihull, they got their defence back, they got all
Speaker 1
16:13 - 16:14
sorted. And
Jenny
16:14 - 16:46
I'm like, there was occasion where the ball was OK, it was rolling. Yeah, fine, bring it back. It was in the wrong place. But there were times where he'd given a foul, the lads put the ball down, went to kick it, and he stood in front of me and went, no, no, wait. And I'm like, what are you doing that's not on and he did that nearly most of the time when we had free kicks i don't know if that came across on the live feed but Yeah, I was really starting to wind me up.
Jenny
16:46 - 16:46
I
Mike Dowling
16:47 - 16:47
can imagine.
Jenny
16:48 - 17:10
Yeah. No, he didn't. He wasn't brilliant. I must admit he wasn't brilliant. The same thing, you know, when Dylan was getting failed and he got blocked at one point, nothing, you know, and yet. one of them went down as if he'd been shot and it i just you know yeah
Mike Dowling
17:10 - 17:21
there was a couple of occasions yeah well a couple of their players went down and the moment the yellow card came out yeah they got and ran off and it's like oh my god yeah there was one and we're like
Jenny
17:22 - 17:23
oh yeah look you're not even limping
Mike Dowling
17:23 - 17:39
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's shocking. But did you think it was a penalty? I mean, I know the replay has gone out. I look and think that would be definitely one of the ones that you'd hate to be given away. Yeah. But for us, it's an absolute stonewall penalty.
Jenny
17:40 - 17:46
It is. But we I don't know. I didn't look that up. I don't know any penalties we've had this season, but not many.
Mike Dowling
17:47 - 17:49
I don't know. No, but we've
Jenny
17:49 - 17:53
not. I know. I mean, I know we've had penalty shootouts with a cup and that. But
Mike Dowling
17:53 - 17:54
yeah,
Jenny
17:54 - 18:20
apart from that. Can't count them on one hand, I don't think. No. And sometimes when you see stuff on, well, even looking at the EFL games, you know, ITV3 or whatever it is, you know, you see them go and you think, and they get a penalty, you think, God, we've had worse than that. I don't know. People don't, I don't know what it is. We don't seem to get penalties. Don't seem to get penalties. Simple
Mike Dowling
18:20 - 18:44
as that. Let's go through there, Gulp. Do we have to? Yeah. I mean, The defence were quite good. The defence marshalled well, played well, but it seemed that we had a five-minute brain farce where we've given away a free kick that probably didn't need to give away. Someone didn't pick up. I'd
Jenny
18:45 - 18:48
hate to not fin because it was Finlay, wasn't it?
Mike Dowling
18:49 - 18:50
I think it was Tyler, actually.
Jenny
18:51 - 18:53
Who pulled his shirt? I think
Mike Dowling
18:53 - 18:53
it was Tyler.
Jenny
18:54 - 19:04
Oh, was it? Oh, sorry, Finlay. I thought it was Finlay. I thought, well, that's unusual. But, yeah, he just pulled him. Now, I thought it was a weak free kick for a start.
Speaker 3
19:05 - 19:05
you
Jenny
19:05 - 19:32
know, come on, but he pulled his shirt and that's when it resulted because they crossed it across and, but, and, and the guy, yeah, they must've switched off because we were down the other end, but you could see basically he had a, he had an open goal to head, which way, you know, instead of heading it at the goalkeeper, which we would have probably done, you know, where we could see it and we went, no, and there was no one near him, no one near him, free header, boom, one, one, all, and you're like, no.
Mike Dowling
19:36 - 20:11
It wasn't. Being Sutton, we let the ball drop to the person who's in a good scoring form as well. Yeah. So it's like, couldn't have just dropped it to the worst player, let's get someone who's likely to score. And yeah, we just, I think it was like two or three individual mistakes in that. Yeah. It won't always happen. Sometimes you'll get that where it would be cleared or this wouldn't happen, but it did knock the stuffing a little bit because we seem to work so hard to get a goal and then the other team make an attack, one attack, they score.
Mike Dowling
20:11 - 20:14
And it's like, it's got to affect a little bit.
Jenny
20:15 - 20:47
We seem to not do it all the time. We're not doing it all the time, but lately, I don't know what it is, but it's like, I think you, it might've even been last season or something. You said something about dogs and that we can't keep a lead. You know, some aspects about the players not owning dogs or something, cause they don't know, hold their leads or something, you know, but. Yeah, I think just, just plea. I mean, don't give away silly fouls. Again, near the end, I didn't think, I didn't
Mike Dowling
20:47 - 20:47
think
Jenny
20:47 - 20:53
they were going to score particularly. It was more, don't give away a silly foul. Do
Mike Dowling
20:53 - 20:54
you know what I
Jenny
20:54 - 21:01
mean? I don't think they were ever going to score from a normal play position, but I'm like, please don't fail. Please don't fail. Please don't give a, you know, cause that's what we do.
Mike Dowling
21:02 - 21:11
Um, the next thing I wanted to say is about, is about the late on part of the game. Um, The fitness and the intensity didn't drop.
Speaker 1
21:12 - 21:12
I
Mike Dowling
21:12 - 21:28
know we didn't win, I do know that, but we kept going forward and we probably looked the most likely to score and there was an occasion where, love him, but when the ball drops in the edge of the penalty area and you've got a midfielder running onto it, you want that to be Simpa.
Jenny
21:30 - 21:37
We missed chances. We could have won that. We missed chances. Jack
Mike Dowling
21:37 - 21:55
had a chance. Finlay had a chance. So the midfield seemed to be ticking over very, very nicely. What did you think of that and how do you think Jadon's going to fit back in to this side? I know he's a way away, but he's back training now. Yeah.
Jenny
21:57 - 22:51
I mean, I'd put him, he was one of the ones I'd put in. I mean, it was very noticeable. I was saying to him last night, oh, Sidhu's not come on. Because often, you know, it gets to a certain point. We thought it was funny that Josh went off what we considered early. I think it was on 50 minutes and we're like, oh, OK. But I know he has been injured. But no, our intensity, Although, right, our fitness levels didn't drop, but what I noticed about their play and what I noticed about ours, and I know you picked this up, but I have to say there were times in that second half, right, there was often when they got the ball, literally within three passes, they were down our end, but also If they pick the ball up in the middle, they just went for it.
Jenny
22:52 - 23:14
Everyone, whoosh, went for it. And there were times in the second half where there looked to be gaps in the middle of the pitch. we had the ball and we were passing, I'm not knocking this because I know what you say, but we were passing it side to side and when they did get the ball in the middle, I know I was shouting something, we were going go on run with it, go on go through
Speaker 3
23:14 - 23:14
because
Jenny
23:15 - 23:54
they were doing that to us and there was a time I understand a bit about start again and but no one, the times we did push through the middle because they're backtracking. Then we had some chance, you know, we get, but there were times and, and, and there was like five minutes left and honestly thought we could get the goal where, come on guys. And we were slow at passing it. They all went back and set up. so we had no chance and I thought just yeah but I know that's Steve's way and I understand that um but if they're gonna do that be a little bit sharper be a bit quicker
Mike Dowling
23:55 - 24:33
yeah that's all I'm saying yeah well We'll jump to that actually. Steve did say afterwards that he enjoyed watching it. He said, obviously we don't, it's not the result we wanted, but that's the kind of football we played how I want to play. Yeah. More or less, I didn't say exactly that. Despite the frustration, because I've said in the past to some of them that as a fam, you just want to get that ball away from our goal as quickly as possible, near their goal. So yeah, we don't necessarily notice all that ball recycling and retention and stuff because we're just like, get it up there.
Mike Dowling
24:33 - 24:48
Yeah, get it up. Come on. But are you kind of noticing it a bit more now that we are keeping that possession when we do? Obviously, sometimes we give it away, silly. But when we are keeping it, are you sort of going, OK, this is part of the plan?
Jenny
24:49 - 25:22
Oh, absolutely. Ever since you told me what that style of playing, that part of the plan, I can understand it. If they're going to do that. with teams, there were times last night where we could say, okay, gone back in the passing, but it was put your foot on it. They were like, put your foot on it. Look, and it, it, it just gave Solihull, you know, they packed everyone, you know, they parked the bus if you like. Um, and I, and there was like, when they had the ball. I'm like, right quick over. Look, he's click.
Jenny
25:22 - 25:24
Do you know what I mean? Okay. I'm not
Mike Dowling
25:24 - 25:24
playing,
Jenny
25:24 - 25:24
but
Mike Dowling
25:25 - 25:25
no, no,
Jenny
25:26 - 25:28
a little bit sharper. Um,
Mike Dowling
25:28 - 25:28
but I
Jenny
25:28 - 25:44
remember saying that to someone, I won't say who, but you may guess, um, a match. And he said, don't get frustrated with that. He said, because if they were sharper and doing it like that, he said, they won't be in the national league. That's why they're national league players.
Mike Dowling
25:45 - 25:46
Yeah, true, true.
Jenny
25:46 - 25:49
No, you know, he said that they're not Premier League players.
Mike Dowling
25:49 - 25:54
So, you know, that's not deriding them at all. I can see why they're doing what they're
Jenny
25:54 - 26:15
doing. Yeah. It's just, it gave the other side, especially when, to me, when there's five minutes left and you've had
Speaker 3
26:15 - 26:16
lots of chances
Jenny
26:17 - 26:23
and they were backing off. When you've got that ball, instead of passing it forward, maybe take it forward yourself.
Speaker 3
26:25 - 26:25
I
Jenny
26:25 - 26:30
don't know, you know, maybe there's always no keep passing it back to back until you see a gap, but
Speaker 1
26:30 - 26:30
the gap was in
Jenny
26:30 - 26:52
front. Do you know what I mean? It's like, forage forward please have a go you know um because we did at times but oh you know that keeping passing at the back i know they're trying to set up again but when you've not got long left to me sling it in you know yeah have a go sling it in
Mike Dowling
26:53 - 27:17
funny enough The note I have to say next is promising display, frustrating result. That's why I said at the stop the 1-1 loss because we should have got that. Was it two points dropped or is it one point on the road to be respected? What do you think? Do you think that was a good point away on a Tuesday night?
Jenny
27:18 - 27:41
Interestingly, it must have been about three minutes left and the dugouts are not that far away from us. But I can remember we missed another chance, you know, which, and we had them. I mean, if you could, you know, we had them and it's like, and their goalkeeper though, man of the match, why did he have to have a worldie? You know, he, no,
Speaker 3
27:41 - 27:41
he
Jenny
27:42 - 28:23
always, you know, and I must admit it was their goalkeeper that saved them. We, we, we should have scored, but But what summed it up for me when you say two points lost, Steve Morrison was by the, in his area, but he happened to turn around and he was not looking at anyone in particular, but he was looking at the crowd. And I caught his eye and he just went, like that. And I thought, you've summed that up. Do you know what I mean? It's as if he, you know, we were there, we had it all and it's like, And that's all he did and he saw me and I just smiled and turned around.
Jenny
28:23 - 28:31
He probably doesn't realise. that he can't remember that. But I can remember, and I said to Ian Stone next to me, I said, he's got it in one.
Mike Dowling
28:32 - 28:32
It was,
Jenny
28:33 - 28:40
we just, the goalkeepers playing, you know, worldy, we're not going to get this, you
Mike Dowling
28:40 - 29:05
know. The team we're playing against have a plan as well. So they were obviously thinking they were in a terrible run, they do not want to lose. Their goalkeepers had a great game and our players have just made a few tiny errors here and there. Yeah, nothing major. But we had about, well, I think it was like 680 odd and we had 63 of them. So we had about 10% of the crowd last night. We had a
Jenny
29:05 - 29:07
lot. I was surprised how many we had. Yeah.
Mike Dowling
29:07 - 29:29
Well, yeah, I think it was JR again. I'm not entirely sure that's accurate because people could just rock up and buy a ticket and there was no home or away. So it might have been that the 63 were pre-bought and then other people turn up and bought tickets. Yeah, maybe. But lots of noise. from us from absolutely yeah absolutely
Jenny
29:30 - 29:33
i'll tell you why you couldn't always tell as well because one of their colors is yellow
Mike Dowling
29:34 - 29:34
Yeah.
Jenny
29:35 - 29:44
Some of us wearing obviously yellow scarves. And when I was walking through the crowd, I was just about to talk to someone and I realised he had yellow and blue on his scarf. I thought,
Mike Dowling
29:44 - 29:44
oh
Jenny
29:44 - 29:45
no, not one of ours.
Mike Dowling
29:46 - 29:59
We were watching in Roland's bar and when Vaz scored, some of the people behind the goal were celebrating and some weren't. And we're like, hang on, is that their fans? They're our fans too, is it? And it was, as you said, no segregation.
Jenny
29:59 - 30:18
Yeah, no, it was mixed. And in fact, there was no, you know, it was really nice in some ways, because when we scored, you could see, you could see the guys that weren't ours. But there wasn't any, you know, not any nasty nastiness,
Mike Dowling
30:18 - 30:18
you know, and that's because you
Jenny
30:18 - 30:21
mixed in. It was it was good.
Mike Dowling
30:23 - 30:34
I actually often think that the non-segregated is better because if people do want to start getting there, you always run the risk of getting a smack in the mouth. So people tend to be a bit braver.
Jenny
30:35 - 30:51
And we had people, you know, we were very, they were very loud behind the goals, but there was no, I mean, obviously when we tackled theirs and it's, you know, they were shouting more at the referee than us, you know, than the players, they were having to go at the ref just as much as we were. Um, But yeah,
Mike Dowling
30:51 - 30:51
you
Jenny
30:51 - 30:57
know, it was great to be non segregated, though, honestly, I can't tell you how lovely it was. I think we all
Mike Dowling
30:57 - 30:57
enjoyed
Jenny
30:57 - 30:58
that.
Mike Dowling
30:58 - 31:10
We're going to do the points of use. I'm not sure if you've heard this one yet. There's not much to go through and we've covered one of it already, but I'm going to play them my lovely new song. It's
Speaker 3
31:10 - 31:27
time to have your say What's good, bad, okay On the pitch or not We'll talk about the lot Your thoughts, your views On the latest news It's your voice of use
Mike Dowling
31:30 - 32:07
points of use. So, we discussed the referee already, that was brought up a couple of times, but there was a little chat on our little group about how medium we are at the moment, and it was 11 games, 11 wins, 11 draws, 11 losses, and we've got a plus one record. So what we're thinking is if we could have the next three games, a win, a loss and a draw with a minus one, we would be on a perfect zero at the end of it. God! The typical mid-table side, that's what we're aiming for at the moment.
Mike Dowling
32:07 - 32:08
Yeah, well, you know.
Jenny
32:09 - 32:10
Yeah,
Mike Dowling
32:10 - 32:10
I
Jenny
32:10 - 32:14
mean, I could go off on a bit of a tangent on that, but it's
Mike Dowling
32:14 - 32:15
sort
Jenny
32:15 - 32:35
of similar. Well, after Saturday's loss, we've now, I looked it up, just to make sure I was right, that we got 13 games left, right? So, and in my head, in a sense, we're out of the, I know we got that cup still, fine, you know, right? But basically, apart from
Speaker 3
32:35 - 32:36
that
Jenny
32:36 - 33:37
cup, the NL cup, Um, and I don't, and I'm not saying this in a negative, but our season's over right now, just hold on to that. I don't mean that as a negative word, right. But our season in, right. Because don't go there. Anyone, we're not going to get relegated. You know, we don't behave, you know, so we're not, I was, I always listened to the podcasts, as you know, coming down. And yesterday I was listening to your one with, was it Joe? The last. yeah and he was you know he was relegation have a get a life you know and i'm the same right so to me i was thinking actually in thinking about the match right so 13 games there's nothing really much to play for except to get as high as we can we're not getting relegated but get right so now Steve likes to play a certain way and he's got a system and a plan.
Jenny
33:39 - 33:56
Now, when I see us play as we did, I'm just wondering. With the people we've got. This is now going to be the time I think he will finalize who can play the way I want us to play. Mm
Speaker 3
33:56 - 33:56
hmm.
Jenny
33:57 - 34:43
and will stay next season. And obviously, I know some have already signed extended contracts, but not Will Davis, but come on. So who he sees, they might make little mistakes, but who he sees and sees they can play how I want us to play. Who is He sees he's still adapting and hasn't quite got that yet, but he knows they'll get there or he feels that they've got enough there to get there. Who just can't fit in and play that way, right? Not necessarily as obvious, but who just struggles to play in that system that he wants and has and who will be poached and let.
Jenny
34:43 - 34:50
And what I'm saying is in those last 13 games, I feel that we might be totally wrong here, but
Speaker 3
34:51 - 34:51
he
Jenny
34:51 - 35:31
has that time in 13 games to solidify that sometimes if you're. You know, he might not have that, but I'm sure that's going to be an issue. He's got a wonderful big black book, I'm sure. And this is going on, like, for instance, Will Davis, Josh, I hope, may not be with us next season. So he would be thinking already the sort of player he wants who could fit in. But I'm sure there will be players that he feels can't or won't, I don't really like to say won't, play his style, thinking when at the beginning of the season he's brought them in, right, this is how I want them to play.
Jenny
35:32 - 36:06
We've given them lots of time to gel, but if they haven't really started to show that they can adapt and play that way, then, you know, maybe it'd be time to move on. Absolutely. I mean, that's what I think the last, we got nothing to play for. We won't get rid of it, but that's what his, And I was looking last night, really, I couldn't name names, right. But I was thinking, obviously, we'd want Will Davis to stay. We want Josh Coley to stay. And who knows how that's going, because we know the ones that are.
Jenny
36:06 - 36:17
But I'm sure when they're looking, it'll be like, you know, nice. And it's a dog eat dog world. Nice guy. But they can't really adapt to what we're trying. And you know, I
Mike Dowling
36:18 - 36:29
need to. view of negative not negative but opposite view to that is 13 games is a long time and if he was to start experimenting 39 points that
Jenny
36:29 - 36:30
is
Mike Dowling
36:30 - 37:06
yeah well i'm pretty sure there would be elements of the crowd going nuts that um if we're losing or we start going on a losing run Because there's certain people that just have it in for him anyway. I was looking at this relegation conversation, because it does make me laugh. Someone said, oh, it's down to single figures now. Oh, for God's sake. It's also about the single figures going upwards. If you're worried about only being eight, nine points ahead of the relegation zone, then surely you've got to say, well, we can make up those eight or nine points to get into the playoff race as well.
Mike Dowling
37:07 - 37:26
So I think we are mid-table. I would definitely hope we finish in the top half of the mid-table and I want top 10. But um yeah there's a lot of teams below us who'd have to suddenly drastically improve oh yeah
Jenny
37:26 - 37:31
oh name it absolutely down well no oh come on
Mike Dowling
37:31 - 37:40
yeah um but i know there was some bits you wanted to uh to bring up on the good and the funny so we're gonna do that right now
Jenny
37:40 - 37:41
go on then
Mike Dowling
37:55 - 37:58
You're dragging something over your microphone, I think. Oh, no,
Jenny
37:58 - 38:02
sorry. That's my note. I've made notes. Look, look, look at that.
Mike Dowling
38:02 - 38:08
Right. What was good about yesterday? Pitch, off the pitch, on the pitch, whatever.
Jenny
38:08 - 38:10
You'll love this because it's food related.
Mike Dowling
38:11 - 38:13
Oh, everyone loves food. Oh,
Jenny
38:14 - 38:45
I can't tell you. The chicken pie that I had was absolutely I was going around telling everyone was absolutely fantastic. No, honestly, I went back to the guy. It was inside the ground. In fact, when I was last at Sully Hullmore's, there used to be a chap. I think it's the same one sales pies. Oh, my God. It was absolutely gorgeous. Flaky puff pastry. real chicken that was moist and the so oh I was in heaven. You
Mike Dowling
38:45 - 38:52
can't go around saying the word moist on on a podcast people hate that word you can't go around saying that. But
Jenny
38:52 - 38:59
the chicken no listen if you watch all these chefy programs the chicken was moist it wasn't dry then all right no
Mike Dowling
38:59 - 38:59
honestly
Jenny
38:59 - 39:07
chicken pie was fantastic and if I have to like certain other people no segregation that was the good that was absolutely brilliant
Mike Dowling
39:08 - 39:08
yeah
Jenny
39:09 - 39:10
absolutely brilliant.
Mike Dowling
39:10 - 39:14
So what was bad about the day? Well,
Jenny
39:15 - 40:02
no, no. What was what was what was bad? And I will bring it up because and some people know I helped Graham, the kit man, thank Graham, take the kit into the away dressing room. And the bad was there's a trolley that they've got. We have. and it's like one of those Tesco trolleys that goes, the wheels that don't go where you want them to go. And I kept, sorry Solihull, but I kept banging this trolley into their corridors because they were very narrow. So their corridors are bad. They need to have wider corridors. because I kept taking the blue paint off their corridors with our trolley.
Jenny
40:03 - 40:06
It's not a Tesco trolley, it's not that type,
Speaker 3
40:06 - 40:06
but
Jenny
40:06 - 40:12
it's the wheels where you've got to sort of push it to the right for it to go left and oh that
Mike Dowling
40:12 - 40:13
was
Jenny
40:13 - 40:14
bad, seriously, apart
Mike Dowling
40:14 - 40:15
from my
Jenny
40:15 - 40:16
backache as well.
Mike Dowling
40:17 - 40:21
bit more guerrilla marketing, buy a new trolley with something podcast written all over it.
Jenny
40:22 - 40:28
Oh, yeah, yeah. No, seriously, because that's what you use to bring all the six trips I had to that
Mike Dowling
40:29 - 40:29
dressing
Jenny
40:29 - 40:33
room. I was knackered at the end. So that was the best.
Mike Dowling
40:34 - 40:35
And what was funny about the day?
Jenny
40:36 - 41:19
What was funny, and this is more funny just for me, for no one else. I spied two guys wearing like tracksuit tops and won his badge. It had on it RAF Referees Association. So I immediately went up to him and said, are you in the RAF, mate? And he went, yeah. And he, he, he, so there were two of them. They were at Bryson Orton. So we pulled up sandbags, we're having a chat to them. I told them, obviously, that I was this very old veteran from the Cold War. But the best thing, and it was hilarious, they said the fourth official is RAF and he's quite high up.
Jenny
41:19 - 41:55
He's about the third highest in the RAF, the referees association. So I said, all right, what rank is he? And they said, squadron leader. I went, you're joking. I didn't get the chance. But the fact that, you know, when they pull the tunnel out, when the players go, if it hadn't gone so far out, I was going to shout, aye, sir. And see what reaction. And I had his name. I was just going to go squadron leader Mitchell. Because as you know, when we went to Epsom and Newell, the referee of that match was RF.
Jenny
41:55 - 41:56
We had a good long chat. We had
Speaker 1
41:56 - 41:56
a good long
Jenny
41:56 - 42:10
chat with these two. They were really nice guys. But the fourth official, and I kept my eye on him, he was squadron leader. In fact, his name, squadron leader Mitchell. And if he's listening, good on you, sir. There you go. So that was my funny.
Mike Dowling
42:12 - 42:52
Perfect. Well, you brought it up basically earlier, that at the moment we are turning games around thick and fast. So Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday for a little while. And we now have another game, Maidenhead, not so far away for a lot of people, but still outside the M25, so I ain't going. Yeah, Steve said that. I don't know if I mentioned that. He said it after the other game when he was like, you don't do away games. No, I don't. But they've had quite a few losses, apart from a draw the other day. They've conceded quite a few goals.
Mike Dowling
42:54 - 43:05
Worst defensive record in this division. Oh, God. They lack concentration. That means nothing. So, how are we going to let them win? No.
Jenny
43:06 - 43:08
We haven't got, it's one of our bogey grounds, isn't it?
Mike Dowling
43:09 - 43:13
Yeah. We've been going a long time. We've been going a long
Jenny
43:13 - 43:15
time. Yeah, I know. I know.
Mike Dowling
43:16 - 43:16
It doesn't
Jenny
43:16 - 43:29
matter that they've let in, they could let in 200 goals and they could let, you know, and we'd be the ones, you know, Solihull, they hadn't won what, nine matches. You haven't met something
Mike Dowling
43:29 - 43:36
yet. But how, how many goals do we need to be up before you start feeling comfortable? Oh
Jenny
43:36 - 43:41
God. More than one, more than one now. I mean, okay,
Mike Dowling
43:41 - 43:42
everyone would say
Jenny
43:42 - 43:48
more than one. I'll be honest, if we scored three, I
Speaker 3
43:49 - 43:49
know
Jenny
43:49 - 44:11
that still it could be three or four, three. You know, what I would like is if we score the first goal and not let in an equalizer, in the following half an hour, whatever that may be, and settle back down, then I'll be a bit happier. We need
Mike Dowling
44:11 - 44:16
that moment after we scored. We need to just go for the throat and get another one. Yeah, yeah.
Jenny
44:16 - 44:50
And we have this intensity in the first half. It's happened quite a few matches. You know, really go for it. We don't get the chances we have. We don't take them okay. I mean, we did last night, first one with Baz. But we, we then seem to fall away and don't have that same intensity. I don't know, but, and I mean, we did yesterday in the second half, we, we were, you know, knocking on that door, but their goalkeeper, he, he did play well. Um,
Mike Dowling
44:50 - 45:06
if like you were saying earlier, psychologically, we get that goal and they kind of then start going, well, OK, we better not concede another one rather than going, let's go get another one. And that kind of plays on your mind. You start going a bit more defensive and worried about making mistakes.
Jenny
45:07 - 45:14
Well, I, I must admit now and I do. when Josh was speaking to you before the season, was it or when
Speaker 3
45:14 - 45:14
he
Jenny
45:14 - 45:16
had a good conversation?
Speaker 3
45:16 - 45:16
Yeah.
Jenny
45:17 - 45:36
And he sort of, you know, we've got to remember that these guys, you know, they're not robots and like supporters, like we we go one nil up and then there's like supporters are going, Oh God, you know, don't fail, don't fail. Well, when they're playing you, do you know what I mean? Does it
Speaker 3
45:36 - 45:37
not cost them
Jenny
45:37 - 45:38
the human? Why shouldn't
Mike Dowling
45:38 - 45:38
it
Jenny
45:38 - 45:39
cost them that?
Mike Dowling
45:40 - 45:45
Would you... I don't know how to word this, but...
Jenny
45:45 - 45:46
Get Steve
Mike Dowling
45:46 - 45:46
Salas in!
Jenny
45:47 - 45:47
He
Mike Dowling
45:47 - 45:48
needs to do a
Jenny
45:48 - 45:49
little bit of work
Mike Dowling
45:49 - 45:49
on
Jenny
45:49 - 45:50
their mental, you know...
Mike Dowling
45:51 - 46:20
If we conceded a goal after scoring and you could see it's because we were hit on the break because we were attacking... Would you kind of go, that's the way it falls sometimes? I would rather that than kind of see us setting back a little bit and almost inviting the pressure on. Because if we get hit on the brake, going for the second, okay, we took a chance and it didn't fall our way. Would you be happy with that? Or would you just go, no, no, just keep it tidy for that half an hour that you said?
Jenny
46:22 - 46:39
No, I think the best form of defence is attack. I remember very much, you know, and it wasn't that long ago when we played Gateshead and we were losing, where we came out that second half and we scored two reasonably
Speaker 3
46:39 - 46:40
quick goals.
Jenny
46:40 - 47:15
Now, it was basically the same players and what, it was only what, three weeks ago, less than that, two weeks ago. And one saying is there was something in them Uh, when they, after they scored the first one, they didn't, oh, well, you know, they, and then they scored the next and then they scored again, you know. I don't know. I think it's because Josh really opened up things and I know they're not all like him, but he said, you know, you don't want to do something, you know, after a while, you don't want to do a pass that really you should do.
Jenny
47:15 - 47:21
And in case you get it wrong, I don't think they're in that they're in that mindset at the moment. But
Speaker 1
47:22 - 47:23
um for
Jenny
47:23 - 47:37
instance when we've scored and the other team are going down and it's close it's like don't give away a foul don't oh shit they've given away a foul you know what i mean i i i'm sure it's not all mental but there must be a little bit there
Mike Dowling
47:39 - 48:02
One of the things I spoke to Tyler Saturday, he's gone. And one of the things I sort of said is, obviously, you've been at some fairly big clubs, big fan base. We're not such a big fan base. Is it is it more difficult when it's more personal? And he's like, yeah, you can really recognize the same faces week in, week out. And criticism or praise really does hit home because you kind
Speaker 1
48:02 - 48:02
of
Mike Dowling
48:02 - 48:20
know that even you don't talk to him, you see the same people sitting in the same spots home and away and stuff. So yeah, I mean, it is, it is hard. And it's one of those things that obviously, I mean, it would be boring to go to football and watch them win every week. You'd love it for a few months, but eventually you'd be like, where's the jeopardy? Ask that to
Jenny
48:20 - 48:21
Man City fans.
Mike Dowling
48:22 - 48:25
Oh yeah, but they're not doing it anymore. No.
Jenny
48:26 - 48:27
So they'd rather they, yeah, anyway.
Mike Dowling
48:27 - 48:28
Yeah,
Jenny
48:28 - 48:30
I agree with you. No, yeah. Get bored. How
Mike Dowling
48:30 - 48:37
do you see the match going? What, Saturday? Yeah. And I'm going to ask you for a prediction as well.
Jenny
48:37 - 49:04
Right. I think it's a bit like, you know, people say it's a work in progress and they're not there yet. And I still believe every match I go to, that that's going to be the match where they give someone a real hammering, where it all starts to connect. That, that's what I, they were, they, you know, not every goalkeeper in every team's going to have worldies.
Speaker 3
49:05 - 49:07
And those, those,
Jenny
49:07 - 49:22
those chances are going to go in at some point. Those chances are going to go in. I'm, I'm not going too mad, but I'm going to, I would go for, three nil on saturday oh
Mike Dowling
49:22 - 49:26
no when you start going someone's gonna get a hammering off oh she's going big no no
Jenny
49:27 - 49:27
no
Mike Dowling
49:28 - 49:29
no territory
Jenny
49:29 - 49:31
no we're gonna we're gonna wait till we meet boston
Mike Dowling
49:32 - 49:34
All right. I'm going to go for one to us.
Jenny
49:34 - 49:36
Oh yeah.
Mike Dowling
49:37 - 49:39
Yeah. Same, same, same winning score, but
Jenny
49:40 - 50:01
yeah. You wait and it might not be so, but we are honestly with what we got with, with Dylan going down that wing and beating them and that they don't like it. And, and I mean, he nearly, he got a free kick just outside the penalty box in the second half. And I thought, Oh, another two paces. and
Speaker 3
50:01 - 50:02
you know they had a vaccine
Jenny
50:03 - 50:15
yeah but but then I said oh no Sid you're not on so it's all right don't don't do it um but yeah no I'll go for three nil but honestly one day you mark my words and say yeah remember
Speaker 1
50:15 - 50:15
you
Jenny
50:15 - 50:33
said that we are going to give someone a real tonkin because They're not there yet. And it gives 13 games. It gives Steve Morrison a chance to see what he wants to do for next season. And there's no pressure on, they have to win CXYZ and then get in the playoffs. That's what
Speaker 1
50:33 - 50:33
I'm
Jenny
50:33 - 50:34
saying. We haven't
Speaker 1
50:34 - 50:35
got that pressure.
Jenny
50:35 - 50:56
They haven't got the pressure of, we need to win another five matches else we're going to get relegated. We've not got any pressure so they can go out, they can enjoy themselves. You can see the ones that can, play to what he wants them to do and the ones that he thinks, no, you're not going to get there. So I'm and one of them matches, we're going to give him a Tonkin.
Mike Dowling
50:57 - 51:33
Good. Right. Well, I've gone for one. But I'm going to wrap up. So we've wrapped up this episode of Sutton Podcast. As always, we appreciate the attention and feedback. Get involved in Know Me, Know You. Which game would you love to watch again for the first time and why? Don't forget to follow, like, share this episode at Sutton Podcast on your socials. Give me the thumbs up on YouTube. I do love that. We'll be back on Sunday after the main head match with Mark and Johnny, I'm pretty sure. But as always, thank you to our sponsors, Lucky Star Gin.
Mike Dowling
51:33 - 51:41
Big thank you today for yourself, Jenny, and all your thoughts. And thanks to everyone for listening. I hope you've enjoyed this episode. Take care and we'll catch up soon. Bye-bye.
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