In our latest Sutton United Talktime episode, we tackled the ups and downs from Sutton’s 1-3 defeat to Oldham and previewed the upcoming challenge against Gateshead. Here’s a breakdown of the key moments and insights discussed by Mike and panelists Neil and Harry.
00:00 - 00:30
Sutton Podcast: Hello and welcome to another episode of Sutton United Talktime on podcast. It's the Sutton podcast. We're an association with Luckystar Gin. I'm your host Mike. And with me on our panel today, we have got Neil and Harry. In this episode, we are going to be briefly discussing the visit of Oldham and we will look forward to playing on the wrong day against Gateshead. Love hearing from you, love the comments, engagement, all the rest of it. Please chat with other fans, let me know what you think, let me know your thoughts on future episodes and questions. Like,
00:30 - 00:46
Sutton Podcast: shares and comments really, really do help us grow and I love all those thumbs up, you know that. We're going to jump in. Neil, firstly how are you and secondly are you ever going to invite your friend from yesterday to football at Southern United?
00:49 - 01:01
Neil: I'm fine, I'm you know getting over my Football, Sun United, everything. I'm fine, I'm getting over my spouse with the dreaded COVID. And yes, Caroline is now banned from Gander Green Lane. We might risk an away game.
01:02 - 01:07
Sutton Podcast: OK, fair dues. I mean, what was it? Was it 5 games now?
01:08 - 01:09
Neil: 4. No, 4 from 4.
01:10 - 01:10
Harry: 4 from 4.
01:10 - 01:19
Neil: And last, she didn't come last season so she can't be blamed for that because she was coming to the Crawley game, the 1 that got Sir Canson with a frozen pitch.
01:21 - 01:27
Sutton Podcast: Fair enough, fair enough. And Harry, the man with the scan, how are you?
01:28 - 01:29
Harry: I'm very well thank you.
01:29 - 01:29
Speaker 4: Are
01:29 - 01:43
Sutton Podcast: you all right? Yeah I'm always all right. It's been a while because you fell foul to the same thing as Andrew where suddenly people disappeared from my guest list. So it's been a while for you but you're good, you're still playing?
01:44 - 02:03
Harry: Yeah, I've had a few sort of games with the community team and I've got a game next Saturday against Chelsea which I'm sort of I'm in an iron do I play or do I go to Braintree but going off how Saturday game went I'm sort of drawing towards going to play my football.
02:06 - 02:29
Sutton Podcast: I think most people who are able to play, I don't include myself in this, would say definitely go and play. Play all you can while you can. Yes. Right, so both of you only got the invite earlier, so you haven't had a lot of time to do your homework that I set. So there is going to be a jingle coming in now.
02:29 - 02:35
Speaker 4: There's something we can do. Join me in going.
02:37 - 02:39
Harry: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
02:39 - 02:55
Sutton Podcast: I asked you both if you could watch any historic match again for the first time. I mean, there's a Southern United match, obviously, but I didn't write it down. Which match would it be and why would it be? Neil, if we start with you, what game would you like to be able to watch again for the very first time?
02:57 - 03:22
Neil: It would have to be our title-winning, promotion-winning game against Partlyport because I couldn't be there so I had to watch it on the telly so it wasn't the same so you know it would have been nice to be 1 of those people who genuinely said I was there because There seems to be more people claiming to be at that game than were actually physically able to be.
03:23 - 03:26
Sutton Podcast: True, true. I mean I was there on that 1. Yeah,
03:27 - 03:32
Harry: I'll move you on that 1, Mike. I was 1 of the lucky and fortunate ones to be there as well.
03:32 - 03:56
Sutton Podcast: Yeah, but you're right, it was an odd game actually to be at because it was kind of really just a strange atmosphere until we went... People are saying the second goal, but it's actually the third goal that made everyone go, or in my opinion, it made everyone go, oh my god, we've done this, oh my god, what's happening? But yeah, that's a really good shout. And Harry, what about yourself? What game would you like to watch?
03:57 - 04:21
Harry: That's what I was exactly thinking the same game that Neil has sort of alluded to, just considering we hadn't been in the Football League for, correct me if I'm wrong, over 100 and such years. So just to sort of, sort of just see that, revisit that sort of game, to sort of just get us into the Football League? Just an unbelievable day.
04:22 - 04:57
Sutton Podcast: Yeah absolutely. My other 1 probably would be the Wimbledon FA Cup 1 because again that was just a strange whole little atmosphere and then suddenly it went brilliant and really well and but taking away the nerves to watch those games again would be would be quite nice but let us know your answers I'd love to hear from you What game would you love to watch for the very first time? I could say the Coventry match but I didn't watch it the first time so I can't say again for the first time but that would be cheating.
05:00 - 05:30
Sutton Podcast: There's bits and pieces going around the club, all the ladies' team's matches were called off for the weather in various different locations, so there's nothing to report there. I did do some interviews in the hospitality yesterday, I was very honoured to be asked to interview some of the players and former players. Not sure I'll be asked again, because I had Mr. Ransom come in and I interviewed him. I spoke to him beforehand and had a good chat, called him by his name, got on stage and then promptly called him Matthew. And at the end of it,
05:30 - 06:04
Sutton Podcast: I then called him Harry and then said oh no sorry Matthew and he was like no Harry was all right you're fine so don't know what happened there but also had a really good chat with Mickey so anyone who went along to hear from Mickey, I do apologize, I wasn't intending to do the interview, I didn't know I was doing it until the day before, so I wasn't trying to make you all listen to me again. But yeah, lots of good news and especially like the cup draw still, very very excited. What are your thoughts on
06:04 - 06:05
Sutton Podcast: that Cup draw, Harry?
06:06 - 06:24
Harry: It's just a sort of unbelievable sort of draw. I've just been so sort of, I think, lucky to sort of just be plucked out to sort of get the biggest sort of team left in the competition and to have it at home and it being televised is just unbelievable.
06:25 - 06:44
Sutton Podcast: Yeah. I mean, you kind of want the lowest team ranked at home is your first choice, isn't it Neil? But other than that, you go, oh, I will have the money, thanks a lot. But what are your thoughts on it, Neil? I mean, the players and all the staff apparently are banned from talking about this, but we're not. So what do you think about that draw now?
06:46 - 07:01
Neil: Thinking back to some of the games in the past where we've got a big game coming up, because it means absolutely diabolical the result a few days before the game. We're bound to lose 5 or 6 nil, but at least We won't be playing Dover.
07:04 - 07:05
Sutton Podcast: In the freezing cold.
07:06 - 07:35
Neil: Yeah, we've got nothing to lose. So we're going to get money from the from the TV, which would be good. It would be publicity and I suspect ironically the players will play better because there'd be less pressure because all the pressure be on the Birmingham guys so you know either way it will be a good game it will be great entertainment I suspect and who knows
07:36 - 07:37
Sutton Podcast: yeah well
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Neil: we've done it before
07:38 - 07:52
Sutton Podcast: exactly let's let them take us lightly let's play rubbish and never know so for the Ogden game Harry we'll start with you What were your pre-match thoughts and expectations?
07:55 - 08:33
Harry: Sort of going off the back of the sort of how the sort of churchy sort of game planned out and went. So taking that forward into the sort of Oldham game, I was very much sort of like unsure on how the game was going to sort of a fair sort of I think plan out. With like the big, the big stature of how the big opposition, Oldham, are and with such a vast experience they've obviously put in the National League and some of the players they've obviously got and what their aim and objective is to sort
08:33 - 08:36
Harry: of try and get themselves back into the football league where they felt they belong.
08:38 - 08:46
Sutton Podcast: And Neil, what were your thoughts on that? I know you got the line-up dead on, but what were your thoughts on the match? On the line-up and the expectations, sorry.
08:47 - 09:32
Neil: So as you know, line-up was exactly as I expected and so 11 out 11 there and I expected and predicted it would be a high scoring game I thought it was going to be a 5 goal game. And sadly, I did predict that we were going to lose because I just felt that Oldham would just have too much for us. And they've got a very good defense, as they showed. And I just thought at the moment, we've got too many inexperienced players in the wrong place. And we would get caught up set pieces and crosses into
09:32 - 09:40
Neil: the box. So in terms of my prowess as a pundit, I'm saying that was 100% predictive.
09:41 - 10:13
Sutton Podcast: Well, I went for 3-1 scoreline. It's obviously the other way round, but I still went for 3-1. I got the right score. But the opening 10 didn't seem overly bad I mean there were people around me who actually disagreed with me because I was like apart from the the mistake on the goal I don't think we've been that bad. Now, what game are you watching? But what did you think, so, Neil, we'll start with you, what did you think for the opening minutes and up to the goal, which I haven't actually watched any of the goals
10:13 - 10:18
Sutton Podcast: back yet because I just couldn't do it to myself. But what did you think for the first few and then the opening goal?
10:23 - 10:57
Neil: First few minutes, I the team that gave the winning scoring had chances I it looked as if it was going to be an open game. And I'd already sort of said to Caroline, my friend, that Stevie Arnold had already had a couple of handling howlers, but it was brilliant at shots. But let's just hope that we don't get any more soft headers because they seem to be at the killer's heel at the moment at which point soft header and it went in.
10:57 - 11:04
Sutton Podcast: Yeah yeah. Harry what was your view were you out finish your work by this point or? Yes
11:05 - 11:09
Harry: I was able to sort of get into the ground for when the game started.
11:09 - 11:13
Sutton Podcast: Okay, so what did you think about the opening 10-15 minutes and the goal?
11:14 - 11:55
Harry: I thought the opening 10-15 minutes was a fairly end-to-end game. Both teams knew what was at stake, going for it. But then I just thought as the game was going further into the game, I think with such a young squad we sort of posed, they started to impose themselves on us, so then it sort of just felt like they were growing in the sort of game. We just couldn't quite get to sort of grips with the way The what they were sort of going about going about the game their game plan So then I just felt
11:55 - 11:59
Harry: it wasn't long before that a goal goal was coming for them. I
12:00 - 12:38
Sutton Podcast: Mean yeah from from the goal things got a bit bitty from our point of view. And the only other sort of major talking point for me for the first half was Louis tried to cross it with his right foot and injured himself. I'm not entirely sure that's related, but it was, we're not actually sure what's happened to him yet. I did sort of just say what happened is that I've got no idea. So how did you see the injury and how big a miss will Lewis be depending on how long he's out obviously? Harry, we'll start
12:38 - 12:39
Sutton Podcast: with you on that 1.
12:39 - 12:59
Harry: I didn't really sort of see how the injury, I just saw he sort of I think looked like from my sort of ankle, Harry to sort of I think rolled his sort of ankle 1 way when he went to sort of, I think, sort of, I think, cross it sort of thing. But then obviously it's sort of like when he was sort of like hobbling off round sort of thing,
12:59 - 12:59
Neil: it's
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Sutton Podcast: sort of
12:59 - 13:32
Harry: like, I think, just made me sort of realise, I think it's actually probably maybe worse than actually first thought and I feel like with obviously such a sort of a young side I feel like his added experience in the middle of the park will be miss quite valuable because he's quite like an integral sort of part because but I just feel we just need a bit of someone like more like an experienced sort of player sort of alongside him because now he's sort of come out the squad we just don't know who's going to sort of
13:32 - 13:35
Harry: step up to be that experienced player in the centre of the park.
13:36 - 14:02
Sutton Podcast: Yeah, I mean we've also just let Jack Wadham go on loan for a little while, so I don't know whether we'll be calling him back or not, which would be disappointing for him and Worthing. But Neil, what did you think? It's always a worry when there's no 1 around the player and it's not an impact and suddenly they get injured and it's clearly a bad 1 because otherwise, well, I wouldn't have come off. I saw a picture of him from a few weeks ago where he had been clattered and his foot was utterly bruised and he
14:02 - 14:09
Sutton Podcast: was still refusing to take any kind of, I'm not missing a game. So he's clearly bad if he's coming off, but what do you think Neil?
14:11 - 14:42
Neil: I didn't think it was his knee, I think he's fallen over on his own as Harry said. 1 of those could be a couple of weeks, he could be out for months. He's been our best player, potentially being 1 of the best players in the whole national league. Who can tell? But it's just what we didn't want.
14:42 - 15:14
Sutton Podcast: No, of course. Yeah. No, of course. I mean, he he said, Oh, hopefully I'll be back playing soon. And I'm more always torn because obviously these players are, you want them back on the pitch because we support Sutton. But it's like, yeah, I'd rather you come back strong soon. I will be, I'll be quite honest with you. I'd much rather and on injuries, I caught up with Jaco yesterday and I was just asking about his Ironies every operation and it's a lot worse than I think any of us realized and he's all hopefully be back I
15:14 - 15:35
Sutton Podcast: went up don't care whether you come back just get your eye fix But we got cut short because I think it was the under 12s wanted some photos with some of the players, so I know where my place is, I ran away and let them do the photos with the kids because that's far more important than waffling to me. I didn't really have anything else in the first half. Did I review? Was there anything you wanted to talk about?
15:38 - 15:38
Neil: Okay.
15:40 - 15:42
Sutton Podcast: So second half.
15:42 - 15:59
Neil: Go on. Yeah, Mike, was the first half with that terrible miss by Will, wasn't it? When he ended up with the ball, and he just did a pathetic little header towards the goalkeeper instead of letting it drop and-
15:59 - 16:01
Harry: Stop putting his foot through it.
16:01 - 16:19
Neil: He should have put his foot through it. I was behind 3 of Harry's mates from the disability side and they all agreed that any of them would have scored in that position because they'd have all let it drop and then kicked it.
16:19 - 16:20
Harry: Yes,
16:20 - 16:54
Sutton Podcast: Harry would not. I've seen that. Yeah, I'd forgotten about that to be honest, So I'll erase that from my memory. For the second half, he redeemed himself with very quick reactions. Josh sent in a nice free kick, it was kind of scrambled around a little bit, and then come off the post going across the face of goal, and he very quickly reacted to nodding in. How were you feeling at that point, Harry, when we just got back into it so quickly after the half started?
16:55 - 17:25
Harry: So I was quite obviously sort of pleased because we was obviously just got ourselves sort of, sort of just back into the sort of game just off the back of half time. So I thought there's an incentive here. We're back in this sort of game. So it's back to how the sort of game sort of started, how both teams are sort of, I think, on the same sort of, we're drawing here so that I thought this might just sort of, just give us, gain us some form of a bit of momentum, which, because we just sort
17:25 - 17:31
Harry: of scored, but then like it just didn't, it had the opposite effects.
17:31 - 17:38
Sutton Podcast: Yeah, we'll come to that in a sec. But Neil, how were you thinking of Will's goal and getting back into the game so quickly after halftime?
17:40 - 18:00
Neil: It was a great delivery in from Josh. The first header was good from Will, and he did react brilliantly. Old and reflect, they were still sucking on their half-time oranges, so it's the perfect time to get a goal back. And then I said what was important is we don't concede straight away.
18:02 - 18:48
Sutton Podcast: Right, So I'm seeing a bit of a pattern here. You said we have this thing of conceding with soft headers and then they scored with a soft header shortly afterwards. You said hopefully we won't concede straight away and they did do you think you should maybe stop saying these things out loud it's my fault yes you're manifesting it into existence but I again haven't watched it back but what about did either of you think it was a free kick steve certainly didn't think it was a free kick and then even said well even if it was
18:48 - 18:59
Sutton Podcast: a free kick I don't understand how it's a booking but what were your thoughts on the equalizer the free kick and another sort of soft-ish uncontested header? Neil we'll start with you.
19:00 - 19:36
Neil: Well considering that the Oldham were very good with the slightest of touches going down and doing the dead and dying act, Chin comes across, gets the ball, tackles in from the side, it's controlled, and the Oldham guy doesn't go down, he carries on running. So it wasn't really, to me if you don't go down, it's not really a foul. He didn't foul the guy. Right. Because he got far more of the ball, he got very little of the guy. If the guy had thought he'd been of contact, I'm sure he would have gone down like a
19:36 - 19:41
Neil: sack of potatoes and he didn't. So I don't think even the olden guy thought he was foul.
19:42 - 19:51
Sutton Podcast: Right, well let's get Harry's take as a player. Do you feel you have to go down if there's contact or you always try and stay on your feet?
19:52 - 20:16
Harry: I think you just got to try and sort of just be sort of honest with it sort of thing. If you feel like there's contact you feel like you can sort of stand sort of like the bit because some people just go down at the minimal contact and the referees just buy that sort of thing. So then a lot of the referees fall for that from a lot of those professionals because they're just so good at doing it.
20:19 - 20:28
Sutton Podcast: So what did you think of the free kick? I saw you shaking your head but we need we're doing the audio obviously. So what was your thoughts on the free kick and the goal?
20:29 - 21:04
Harry: I thought it was a very soft free kick from the referees, because everyone just moved around the ground, just epitomised that, because everyone just thought, as well as Steve Morrison thought, he was a bit shocked as to why it was given as a free kick. I think their supporters were, but they didn't really think much of it. I think from what I recall.
21:04 - 21:11
Sutton Podcast: Would we have thought it was a free kick if it was given to us? Both of you.
21:14 - 21:39
Harry: We probably would, because like we've sort of, I think it's subtle, because a lot of things don't go our favour and we just want sometimes first things in a sort of a game like this, just to get something out of something because sometimes we don't get a lot from the referees even if we don't think it's a foul sort of thing because sometimes it's just nice to have that bit of sometimes like on our side.
21:39 - 21:52
Sutton Podcast: Yeah I mean that's always my little test is if that was given against us or for us would I be raging about it? Neil you nodded and said yeah if it was you'd be questioning, but I'd want it.
21:54 - 22:05
Neil: Oh, you're always going to take the free kick, but hurry, man. We seem to have, I know, this is amber glass bias, we never seem to
22:05 - 22:05
Sutton Podcast: get
22:07 - 22:08
Neil: them.
22:10 - 22:40
Sutton Podcast: Yeah, no, it's confirmation bias. You remember the ones we do or don't get, but you don't remember the ones that we do. I know what I meant to say. Anyway, so Steve is kind of, it was a bit of a fresh air and you couldn't always tell what was going to go on but 60 minutes up and the 2 wingers come off which I think is a fairly, going to be a fairly regular practice. You're expecting them to run into the ground, although I'm not sure they did. But was that a change you were expecting Harry
22:40 - 22:45
Sutton Podcast: or were you thinking that we could have could have left them on for a bit longer?
22:46 - 23:16
Harry: I feel like with obviously how Josh Coley has been this sort of season, the standout sort of player, I feel like in a sort of a game like this he still could have had something like a spark to sort of still sort of I think give us so like with how sort of I think tight contested it still was at that point, I think, because he was probably our most outlet, I think our highest sort of goalscorer. I would have maybe at least kept him on to sort of give him a bit longer to see if
23:16 - 23:40
Harry: he can impose himself on their defence to try and cause a few problems. But as for the sort of maybe other winger who didn't really have much sort of involvement in the sort of game, maybe freshening it up on that side was a sort of a right sort of move to try and obviously offer a different dimension to see if that would obviously work in our favour.
23:40 - 23:46
Sutton Podcast: Yeah, and Neil, about yourself, would you think that Josh and Da Silva could work together?
23:47 - 24:31
Neil: I slightly disagree with what was happening. Josh came off because he wasn't as a sexual because they were they'd obviously identified him as a major outlet so they were doubling up on him so he was he was having quite a rough time. Ashley Nadison was taken off because he'd had that red cup yellow card for the supposed late tackle, which I've looked back on. The Oldham guy, Lundstrom, had fouled Josh Coley, then went in very hard and was lucky that he got to the ball just before Ashley. Ashley jumps away and catches the guys and then
24:31 - 25:14
Neil: goes tumbling. The rest books, Madison, there's a bit of afters and it was obviously Ashley was absolutely spitting blood, you could see he was out. So I think that was partly precautionary to stop him picking up a red because he was incensed. So I think it was protective for him because he'd been played very well. He's got some really ridiculous balls that looked as if they were running out. You managed to catch them in the corner. He was showing how actually he's got as much pace as the supposed pacy wingers. So I think it was protective
25:14 - 25:38
Neil: for him. And the guys coming on did make a difference and Dylan looks as if he's getting a bit of his confidence and spark back now so you know so hopefully more minutes in his legs that's going to reach benefits later on. I can see him playing with Dylan because Josh will go on to the other wing.
25:38 - 26:01
Sutton Podcast: Yeah, I mean he's a bit harsh on Sivie who actually did really well but there's no reason why you couldn't play 1 of them behind as well. So Josh, when he used to play last season on the wing, he kept wandering in the middle anyway. So you could put him there. But the third goal, suspicion of offside again, I've not watched it back.
26:01 - 26:02
Harry: Yeah, made it over.
26:03 - 26:18
Sutton Podcast: Norwood being 110, getting that far past the defence, he got off 1 that was it was he in an offside position or not? There was a lot of people saying it. I didn't look at it and I was just like shaking my head at that point. But Neil, did you look back? Did you see him offside to you?
26:19 - 26:45
Neil: It was marginal, so if we'd have had the benefit in the first commons to VAR, it would have certainly gone to VAR and who knows, but it wasn't so much the fact that he was offside, it was yet another uncontested header in the box. All 4 goals in the game were headers, which is unusual.
26:45 - 27:03
Sutton Podcast: Okay, I thought you were going to say uncontested header, so I was going to say, well, Will's goal, you can't really call that an uncontested header. It was, but it's a bit harsh. What about yourself Harry? What did you think of the third goal? Did you have any thoughts or were you heading to the bar at that point as well?
27:05 - 27:30
Harry: I don't really remember the first goal, whether it was riding for offside or not, but obviously the after part when it sort of I think came into the box like there was nobody sort of I think marking so then it just had a sort of I think 3 header so then it just sort of was very much like their other goals they had.
27:33 - 28:13
Sutton Podcast: So yeah Steve wasn't very happy in his post-match but with 13th there's been various comments it's always interesting because when we lose there's a lot more comments to pick from to talk about because a lot more people have things to say there was 1 person saying we're gonna get relegated blah blah blah and I had a little look and we are 13th if we are 7 points away from the relegation zone But if we add those 7 points on, we are fourth. So we're basically bang in the middle. 7 points away from being fourth from bottom
28:13 - 28:28
Sutton Podcast: or fourth from top, we're absolutely bang in the middle. Is this where you think we should be, Harry? Or is there any unluckiness in there at the moment? Or do you think we're about bang on where we should be?
28:28 - 29:00
Harry: I think we're such a young squad and a whole new squad with maybe the additions of some few experienced places just looking at sort of where we are there's always gonna sort of be the up and sort of down results but I think fans of course are sort of under sort of stand sort of thing So like looking at sort of where we are, I think it's a sort of good sort of, maybe it's a good sort of reflection, but if you sort of look at the table and say we're 13, it's not the worst in
29:00 - 29:02
Harry: the world sort of thing.
29:02 - 29:15
Sutton Podcast: Yeah, I mean Neil if we're 13 from people who think we're playing bad then surely that's a good springboard to when things start coming together but what were your thoughts on where we are and how things are going?
29:15 - 29:46
Neil: I compared to last season I don't think the gods are against us. We're not sort of getting a lot of bad luck. I don't think we're actually getting a lot of good luck. So I think we're about where our performances deserve. And it is, again, a young inexperienced team. And we're generally getting found out, you know, our weaknesses are getting exploited and we're getting found out. So
29:48 - 30:16
Sutton Podcast: yeah, I mean some of the comments were surrounding around that with we need some experience heads. And I did see somewhere I can't remember where, so forgive me, whoever it was saying, is the young side mantra, stick with us young side, any starting to wear thin like Matt last year saying oh we're just gelling we're just gelling so what's your thoughts on it do you feel we need an experienced head or do you think it's going to come now?
30:19 - 31:15
Neil: We if we get a 2 of our experienced defenders back, we need Harry Ransom back in the centre of defence. If you've got him alongside Kina Kohli or Paila French, we're so much better. We would have defended those balls into the box so much better. We need either Jaco back or obviously this the new kid from Ipswich who sadly is you know is not fit yet and I think Charlie is being found out at left back at the moment. I think his head's dropping a bit. So it would be potentially better to perhaps have a 5
31:15 - 31:34
Neil: at the back, perhaps as we know, as alongside him, just he just needs a little bit more confidence to help him out. So I think we've got the experienced heads there, it's just unfortunate for the moment we can't get them on the pitch or they're not on the pitch in the right place.
31:34 - 31:52
Sutton Podcast: True, true. But yourself Harry, what do you think about the young side? Is it wearing thing and do we need that experience? I mean, I see that Gape signed for, oh I remember who it was, someone and I was like oh he would have been quite handy to just pick up and stick in the team for a month or so. But what do you think, Harry?
31:53 - 32:15
Harry: I think there is a lot of, I think, experienced age people and sort of within the sort of, I think, the sort of team to sort of take on the responsibility of sort of working and helping out the sort of, I think, the younger players within the sort of, I think, squads to sort of help us moving forward.
32:17 - 32:39
Sutton Podcast: And there was 1 comment, Morrison out. Harry, there was lots of answers on the thing and most of them were around the fact he's spelt Morrison with 2 R's but you pulled a face but again what do you think, what's your words?
32:39 - 33:07
Harry: Now I don't understand why people are making that sort of rash call so sort of like early on into the season and stuff like it's sort of like it's such a sort of I think young squad it's so so long in this sort of season and stuff but I think it's just sort of a rush of sort of blood someone's just making that sort of yeah after just how that sort of I think games have gone and then this thing first things first Morrison out sort of thing this is sort of that sort of sense of
33:07 - 33:09
Harry: I think frustration that we've lost sort of thing.
33:09 - 33:14
Sutton Podcast: Yeah absolutely Neil you shook your head and pulled a face as well but what do you think about that kind of comment?
33:16 - 33:32
Neil: I just don't see what it achieves. You know, you know, he, Stephen Morrison is not the bad manager. At the moment, it's the players who are letting him down. I don't think it's fundamentally anything that he's doing wrong.
33:32 - 34:01
Sutton Podcast: Yeah, I mean, it's just those little better choices and better decision making and a lot of those things are going to just come from some of these players I haven't played regularly, some of them have, but some of these players playing academy football haven't played regular men's football. So it's all going to come, I think, I've said for quite a long time I think if we still are in and around by the time it gets Christmas this team's gonna go on a run and I will stick by that. I'll stick by it in Easter as well
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Sutton Podcast: we'll see. Right so we're gonna finish up with the game yesterday but there are 1 little other thing to do. Obviously the jingle is going to go in here. It's the good, the bad and the ugly. So it's all about the matchday experience and your day in total, so you don't have to just choose the pitch, what happened on the pitch, but what was good for you yesterday?
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Harry: What was good for me, just yesterday, I'd say probably the amount of money we made from the away end, the amount of support that Oldham brought down to generate a good atmosphere from their end sort of thing. Even though like from we were trying to sort of generate a good atmosphere from where we were, from how the game was sort of watching the movie. Like we couldn't quite... That sort of thing.
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Sutton Podcast: Yeah, I mean, for now I did have a chat with someone saying we need to kind of get that 12th man thing going, the whole... The old argument, is it down to the players to get us going is it down to us to get the players going and so on but yeah you're quite right 1 other thing I forgot to mention about the older fans is they put their bloody flags up over the beautiful curva what is wrong with them it's sacrilege anyway neil what was good about the day for you yesterday? Well,
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Neil: you might have the answer to this, or it might be the bad. So I can't remember whether prior to the game I changed my first goal scorer from Ashley Natterson to Will Davies or I changed it from Will Davies to Ashley Natterson because if I changed it to David then it was good.
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Sutton Podcast: Hang on let me see if I could see it. I think I might have closed it all down. No, I've closed that down. You'll find out. I can't remember. Only 1 person got 6 points, so probably it wasn't you.
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Neil: Oh, well, because in my mind, I changed it to Will Davis, because if it was Will Davis and I got big points, but you know.
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Sutton Podcast: So, I'll tell you after.
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Neil: Yeah, so that might be the good, but otherwise I would say that the sun shone because I was expecting it to be down with rain.
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Sutton Podcast: Yes. Yeah.
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Neil: And yeah, so that was definitely the good that the sun shone.
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Sutton Podcast: Okay, so your bad is either the wrong goalscorer or
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Neil: all the bad was I bought my friend and the cousin.
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Sutton Podcast: Lovely. Harry, what was bad for you?
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Harry: Obviously the result, the main thing sort of thing and just sort of the same sort of I think individual sort of, the same sort of, I think, the mistakes these young sort of squads that are still making, it's not like we're eradicating that sort of thing, we think it's going to sort of not be there in the same sort of game, but this just keeps happening
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Sutton Podcast: Yeah, no true true and and what was funny about I think I said the good bad and ugly but it's funny What was funny about the yesterday for you Harry? Again anything it doesn't have to be on the pitch, it could be anything at all.
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Harry: I don't actually know to be honest.
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Sutton Podcast: Okay, you definitely weren't in the hospitality to hear me introduce Harry Ransom as Matthew. Neil, what was funny for you?
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Neil: You just alluded to it, was the fact that Jenny was wetting herself with excitement that she basically had got my funny for me because she said might potentially couldn't get anything right in regarding anybody's name.
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Sutton Podcast: It was it wasn't just the introduction it was the correction at the end that that was the bit that made me just kind of shake my hand anyone can get it wrong but it was oh you're saying the right name but then going oh no changing it don't know I did introduce mickey joyce's matthew joyce as well and bruce said everyone in the room every male had to be called Matthew just for me so thanks a lot Bruce.
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Neil: But I did like the bit that you told me about saying about how Mickey Joyce had come from you know 1 of the club legends to Car Park Attendant you know and how the mighty of Forland.
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Sutton Podcast: No no no no no he corrected me on that It's Car Park Super Attendant. So there was a promotion I was unaware of. So, But yeah, he did agree in a room full of people, 90 people that he said he would come on the podcast. So yeah, blackmail 101. So unfortunately, you're not going to hear my little preview with the Gateshead fella, but it's going to come in now. Okay, and we're going to have a little preview of our Gateshead match. Full disclosure, we're doing this before the round of games at the weekend, so either we
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Sutton Podcast: lost Drew or won, but hey, whatever, we'll pretend. So We're doing this so we can make sure we're in the program for the Gateshead 1, because it's a double program, and I forgot. So this week we are joined by David, who is a member of the HEED Army. Sorry, Dave. I've just seen you put Dave on your link there. Heed the law.
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Neil: It all works, sorry.
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Sutton Podcast: Thanks for joining us. Can you tell us a little bit about your Gated history and a little bit about the podcast that you guys do the content channel?
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Speaker 4: So I've been following Gated since 1997 was my first full season. First season was relegation. So I don't know what was in the pies, but I still came back. And I've been stuck with it ever since. And then we started the podcast in about 2010. It was an audio version only. And as you imagine, there's been a few incarnations where it went into a live Audio show like a radio show online and then we to where it is now is like a live TV show So speak on on YouTube and we do match the commentary as
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Speaker 4: well, which is I'm very proud of. And yeah, it's been a journey that I never thought would ever happen.
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Sutton Podcast: Well, last 1 of these I did was with an Oldham fan who started to sort from the year Mark Hughes scored that goal against them. And he said it's been 30 years of relegations nothing to cheer about since so You realize at that point, you know, okay, we've got it. We've got it. All right, we're not bad.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, too bad is it
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Sutton Podcast: So what were your expectations going into the season? What was yours a similar to the rest of the fan base and how was it for them so far?
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Speaker 4: I think everyone was quite optimistic. There was, I suppose that came out from the, that there was going to be a league AGM because of course last season we couldn't get promoted because of our lease with the Council-owned ground and we're led to believe that the EFL have had a vote and changed it So you only need a five-year lease now, which is quite ironic because when you're in the football league it doesn't really matter because we've seen football clubs bounce around from different ground to ground. So on that front we're not too worried about not
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Speaker 4: being able to get up. We started off of course with Rob Elliott in charge who of course won the FA Trophy for us at the back end of last season which was amazing. We finished in the playoffs, the less said about that the better. Obviously we couldn't take part. We kept the majority of the squad, we lost a few players to the higher levels which you always thought was going to happen because we had some standout performances last year. So for us to be in the playoff mix was probably the hope. We started off like a
42:24 - 42:58
Speaker 4: house on fire and we were top of the league for the first month and a bit and it looked like we thought well hang on a second we're beating some decent sides here we can stay here. And then obviously, the manager left for Crawley. And, the grass isn't always greeners. So yeah, but we're still at this 1 time at the point of recording where we still don't have a manager so we're hoping for that to be announced anytime soon and all signs point to it being someone that was involved with the club under the last 2
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Speaker 4: matches so it shouldn't be too different.
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Sutton Podcast: Excellent. What do you see at the moment, and obviously this is going to change with manager potentially, but what do you see as the main strengths and weaknesses at this point and is there any players that we are going to be looking forward to playing against?
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Speaker 4: Of course we play, I've heard a lot of commentators on National League TV turn around and say Manchester City's got a lot to answer for the way Pep plays football and because gates are all very possession based we will play back to our goalkeeper who will be 30, 40 yards out playing like a centre back. We will reset from the back and try and either get the ball through the middle or on the wings. It isn't a set thing. We can go along. But we do predominantly start from the back and I know that probably sounds
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Speaker 4: daft most teams do, you know, from let's say from a goal kick, but you know we will pass it back to the centre-backs, we play 3 at the back and then it'll be a way of marshalling it through. So that's our strengths getting the ball on the ground and keeping the ball and making the other teams work to get it off us. Our strengths is that the weakness, you would say that we're probably not the tallest side in the league. And also as well, we've lost 2 defenders to injury and 1 of the defenders left because
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Speaker 4: he was the assistant manager as went to Crawley. So our back 3 has completely changed, we've only got 1 of the original that started the season, we've got a couple of lone players in there but hopefully by Christmas we'll have the more established players back.
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Sutton Podcast: And who is it we should be watching out for if he gets you out of his seat?
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Speaker 4: I think it sounds silly but for us, the centre-back Robbie Tinkler, if he's fit and playing, a lot comes through him where he'll start the playoff from the back. If he sees a run he'll ping it through. And then just in front of the defence, Regan Booty. Regan Booty's this season and some of these goals have been fantastic. So if Regan's in the mood to pass the ball about because every too often the National League Twitter account does put up a pass chart and It does look like the special kid in the classes loose with the
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Speaker 4: crayons, which is fantastic. But Yeah, it's just I think since the managers left he's had a little bit, but hopefully we'll get him back firing very soon.
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Sutton Podcast: How do you see the match against Sutton going? What do
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Speaker 4: you think could be the key battlegrounds? I think midfield. It's not been the tale of the tape for Gatut's last few games since the manager left. Midfield hasn't been firing on all cylinders. When midfield is in the mood they can carve open anybody and argue most of them should be playing at a higher level. But yeah, midfield is going to be the battleground where the games won and lost. If Gated can keep possession then chances will be created.
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Sutton Podcast: Perfect and the headline will go in the program, what's your score prediction?
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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm going to go with take 1, I think it'll be 2 1 either side I'm not gonna kneel me close to the mast I think it's gonna be a great game and 2 1 to either side.
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Sutton Podcast: Okay I'll look forward to how long I was gonna put that in the program yeah but thank you so much Dave and Thanks for the insights and good luck for the season and take care, I know you're going live in about 5 minutes.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, in our 15 minutes or I've got plenty of time.
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Sutton Podcast: Excellent, thanks a lot Dave, take care. Thank you
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Speaker 4: very much, cheers, thanks mate.
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Sutton Podcast: So we are playing on Wednesday which is going to mess up everyone's week. He was saying they like to play it around a bit, but 1 thing to mention is we recorded early to get it in the program. And he did mention on there that oh we're recording early and at the time we haven't got a manager and then 24 hours later they appointed a new manager so it all looks nice and out of date but he mentioned they like to play it out from the back and pass the ball around so Harry how do you
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Sutton Podcast: think that's going to go with our very, very good pressing game? Do you think that's going to play into our hands or do you think that we could come unstuck?
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Harry: Well, there's sort of going about it, right? Sort of, I think, pressing sort of game. We sort of just sort of need to sort of know when to sort of go and sort of press as a sort of thing because you don't want to just, because if we just go full gun, kind of higher than press, depending on how they play out, they could just play through us should we not tackle it with the right sort of approach, we just need to sort of go in with the sort of the right nose, sort of like maybe
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Harry: sort of double, so everyone sort of knows their roles sort of thing.
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Sutton Podcast: Yeah, I think that if they're the team I've been told by someone I can't remember who so forgive me whoever it is but if they're doing this thing with the goalkeeper plays it out short to the centre backs Neil we should find that we're going to get some joy from pressing them, but then again, if they know that, then they may not do it anymore. But how do you see the game going and who do you think we should kind of look out for? Should we just stick to our own strengths? Never mind about them.
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Neil: I think we will play our game, you know, the high press certainly might have some effect if they're going to play it out from the back, because best well in the world, National League teams will make more mistakes playing it out from the back than Man City will play it out from the back. So, and other teams have got caught out against us so far this season with doing X. I suspect with Lewis going out, that may very well change the shape of the line-up because there's no way he's going to be playing on Wednesday. So
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Neil: Yeah, there will be a question of will Steve go 5 in the back or will he go 5 across midfield. So I think there's going to be a slight difference in the way that we play, but I think that the press, certainly from Harris and Davis, will maybe be crucial and maybe effective.
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Sutton Podcast: Yeah, excellent. Well, we're already getting to the point of wrapping it up. So Neil, you know what question is coming up next. I think you're second in the league. I did pop that up on the, I sent the link out for that earlier, can't find it now, but I think you're second a little bit behind Charmers. But what is your early prediction? And again, as always, you can change this so you can double bluff as much as you as much as you like with Charmas. What do you think?
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Neil: I haven't really sort of honed in on it yet and unfortunately I'm not going to be able to watch the match so it's going to be difficult. So I'm feeling at the moment it's possibly going to be a 2-2 draw.
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Sutton Podcast: OK, lovely. Harry, what's your prediction?
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Harry: The way some other sort of games have gone for us, I feel like, because it's a midweek game Wednesday, I feel like there might be a sort of, I think, a sort of change in performance. So we might just come out edgy on top two-one.
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Sutton Podcast: OK, lovely. I mean, the thing to think about is Wednesday is their day off so it's gonna change everything for them this week. I haven't really thought about it but I'm gonna go with oh let's go with 3-2 let's make it a nice high exciting game to warm us up on a Wednesday evening. 3-2 to Sutton and my goalscorer is gonna be Will Davis. Okay, so I'm gonna wrap up the episode. Rambled on enough about defeat, but as always, we appreciate your attention and feedback. Get involved in knowing me, knowing you question, Which match would you
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Sutton Podcast: love to see again for the very first time? Follow like share this episode at something podcasts on all social medias subscribe like review the platform of the platform the podcast on your platform even and leave us the thumbs up as well. We are back on Thursday so unlike Aaron I Remember the game is on Wednesday and we're recording on Thursday and we will be reviewing the KZ Match with Paul and Gabriel. So thank you to our sponsors Lucky Star Jean, thank you to Harry and Neil, thanks to your listeners and hope you've enjoyed this episode of
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Sutton Podcast: something podcast. Take care and goodbye.
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