What do sausage rolls, milk smuggling, and the heartbreak of Wembley all have in common? Sutton United fans will know – it’s all part of the ride.
Introduction
In this latest episode of Sutton United Talk Time on Podcast, I’m joined by the ever-passionate Jenny, who brings her trademark mix of humour, honesty, and devotion to Sutton United. From Cold War-level tactics of sneaking contraband into away grounds, to sharing raw memories of gut-wrenching defeats, Jenny reminds us why supporting Sutton is as much about community and character as it is about results.
Mike Dowling
Hello and welcome to another episode of Sutton United Talk Time on podcast. It's the Sutton podcast in association with Lucky Star Gin. I'm your host, Mike. If you are a regular listener, thank you so much for trusting me with your time.
Mike Dowling
If you're a new listener, very welcome. Drop me a line, let me know what you think and introduce yourself. Today, it was going to be two, but Mark had a bit of technical difficulties, or as Jenny said, maybe he just doesn't want to do it, but I also have Jenny. We love hearing from you.
Mike Dowling
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Mike Dowling
Straight into it, because it's like a band-aid. Ginny, firstly, how are you?
Jenny
I'm okay.
Mike Dowling
Good, good, good. And you used all your Cold War expertise and sneaking in milk and whatnot into the ground last night?
Jenny
I admitted it to the police. I went and gave myself up.
Mike Dowling
I
Jenny
said I brought in contraband. Presented my pint of milk.
Mike Dowling
Right. Well, I've got a little jingle. It was on the one of many emails I sent confirming this meeting. There is a question for you for knowing me, knowing you.
Mike Dowling
I've got that. And when you go back and check, you'll see this question was on there long before the result came through. The question is, what is the most heartbreaking loss you've experienced as a Sutton United fan and how did you cope? Here's the jingle while you think about it.
Mike Dowling
OK, well, as heartbreaking losses go, last night isn't going to be into the top 10. But what is the most heartbreaking loss you've experienced as a Sutton fan?
Jenny
I've got to say this because there's another person who's always on your podcasts that always has more than one. So I'm thinking that we have a lot of supporters, maybe that have only been with us from, say, the Doz era. So I've got three, one
Mike Dowling
from
Jenny
Doz, one from Matt's era and one from Steve. The Doz one, I was talking last night to someone about, that's Dover when we lost 6-0 before we went on our FA Cup run. But that was Dover, when we played them at home and we lost 6-0, it was freezing. I felt like I was going to walk out at half time to come home.
Jenny
I didn't. Oh no, that was soul-destroying. It was
Mike Dowling
minus six on both ways, wasn't it? It was minus six temperature. Yeah, but
Jenny
it really was, it was bad. The Matt era, I've got to choose, I know you were there, it was at Wembley, Rotherham. Yep. It was, I still say we didn't lose it with too many, I say 90 seconds because it makes it worse, you know,
Mike Dowling
and
Jenny
that was, it was heartbreaking. And in Steve's era, Ebbsfleet away last season when we were thrashed by the team that they ever lost before, you know, when I wouldn't say heartbreak, you know, heartbreaking. I'd have to go back to the 60s. My dad reckons that when I went with him to Wembley, when we played Wimbledon in the FA Amateur Cup Final, when we lost 4-2, he reckons I burst into tears.
Jenny
I've never burst into tears at one of our matches of a loss. They've been gut-wrenching, but I've never done that. So that would have been a heartbreak, but I don't know how I got over it. But no, in Dover, Rotherham and Ebbsfleet, and if I had to choose one, it was probably Rotherham, you know, because
Mike Dowling
it's
Jenny
Wembley and it was so...
Mike Dowling
We won it!
Jenny
We'd won it. We'd won it. Well, we had, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was, you know, 90 seconds and it, you know.
Jenny
Anyway, so that was, but when you said, how did we get over it? I'd actually was on holiday in Yorkshire, in Halifax. getting over it I had to drive all the way back up to Yorkshire and I called in friends of mine in Northampton and said can I come in and have a cup of tea on the way back because it kept going over and over we were so close and in a way that drive up and I was knackered when I got up I got back about I don't know two in the morning because I'd stopped at my friends and that But no, it's got to be Rotherham I suppose is the worst, but definitely Dover and
Jenny
Ebbsfleet
Mike Dowling
are up there as well.
Jenny
Oh, up there. Last night? No, that's run of the mill. Normal.
Mike Dowling
Don't start laughing. Don't say normal. No, no, no. Right.
Jenny
Right.
Mike Dowling
Anyway. Let us know. Share your thoughts at Sutton Podcast social media. Let us know what your heart, most heartbreaking loss is and how you coped with it.
Mike Dowling
Club News, I haven't really done an awful lot here, but you may have seen Robin Jones is coming to the hospitality on Saturday and there's going to be some very great interview questions. I'm doing it.
Jenny
I thought that might have been.
Mike Dowling
And I think there's going to be a first team player as well, which I don't know. I'll probably won't find out until today. So I'll be winging that as well. Podcast news.
Mike Dowling
I hope everyone watched it by now. The Aaron Jones interview. He was really good. It went on a bit longer than I expected.
Mike Dowling
And I had a load of questions that I cut out because I was like, this is going on for a really long time. You gave great answers. And I was especially pleased the few times you went, you really have done your research, haven't you? I was like, yes, I have.
Mike Dowling
Yes, you had. So yeah, I really enjoyed that and hopefully I'll be brave enough for us to do some more current player interviews through the season as well. We'll see how it goes. I should get one of them on every week to explain themselves.
Jenny
That's a high bar you've set though. I can't think of anyone that's probably had the experience of what he's gone through. That
Mike Dowling
is
Jenny
amazing.
Mike Dowling
I'll dig some dirt out on people, don't worry. Right, let's quickly go through. What were your expectations heading into this match? It's obviously easy to think these things afterwards, but when you were traveling, what were you thinking?
Mike Dowling
Oh, this has got to happen. I know the prediction league is different. Everyone puts wins usually, but what were you expecting?
Jenny
Well, with York, we met them early, thank God, away, and so I was sort of thinking a little bit the same. When we have gone to Forest Green, like last season, I've never felt they've thrashed us and overawed us and we've got the odd win, we've had a draw. So I'm thinking, okay, early days. Yes, Robbie's there, but it was so early in the season.
Jenny
They hadn't played a lot. Yes, they've done what they've done, but I thought this is the time. They're probably going to be one of the top teams. This is the time, like York, to meet them.
Jenny
So hopefully we either snatch a, you know, a 1-0 or we get a draw, like at York. So that's what I was hoping for. And after
Mike Dowling
five
Jenny
minutes, I wasn't hoping that anymore.
Mike Dowling
I did one of my little video things, and for some reason it wouldn't load up yesterday, which is probably just as well. But in there, I was like, well, we wanted to play them before we gelled, and it's just as well we did, because if we've gelled more than that, we're in big trouble. I mean, the lineup, there was a bit of changes. Obviously, Steve's managing the legs, the side, because there was a lot of games coming thick and fast.
Mike Dowling
I think we're Saturday, Tuesday, or Wednesday for quite a while now. And obviously, he's going to have one eye on Scunthorpe at home. But were you surprised by the lineup? Or were you, again, just like, we don't know what to expect now?
Jenny
Well, there were four changes to it. I looked that up, just checking, you know, because when you're there, because they they don't even issue a team sheet, you know, so
Mike Dowling
you've
Jenny
either got to be on your phone and you want to be watching that. So I looked that up today and there were four changes. I have read some of the comments on various forums and I know he's shuffling the pack because of the matches. okay and i don't know who's injured who's carrying a knot particularly but it's nice i always think if you can try and at least have the same 11 to start with apart from injuries because they'll get used to each other and they get settled um so yes there's
Jenny
a lot of matches coming up and they travel a lot but these are full-time professionals I know they're young but when I was young I was a lot fitter than I am now and I do wish that they didn't perhaps change it around or Steve didn't change it around but he knows why he did and so I will bow to his greater knowledge. It'll be an interesting Saturday. As I say, there were only four changes.
Jenny
Who knows why, if there were slight knocks. But if you go back through the seasons, our team If you can keep the same 11, barring knocks, then they can get on a roll. They can learn off each other. They know what, you know, it's like a partnership up front.
Jenny
They know where the other person's going to be in that. And so while it's a little bit choppy and changing, especially if it's like defence, it's difficult. So
Mike Dowling
I was a bit
Jenny
disappointed.
Mike Dowling
One of the changes was Woody, who's probably not going to play those two games. Liam Vincent was another. Some people are getting very upset saying that they were lied to because they were told everyone's fine, but Liam had a dead leg. And it's like, well, he didn't say when he had a dead leg.
Mike Dowling
It could have been... Two hours ago, three hours ago. I
Jenny
thought he meant that I didn't take it that he'd had a dead leg like a few days ago. I thought that he should get a dead leg during the match, you know, or in the warm up. So I didn't take it that he'd lied. And sorry, but why is it these these interviews he does?
Jenny
Anyone can see them. They're on social media.
Mike Dowling
Don't tell
Jenny
the opposition our injuries. I've got no problem with him not telling me or not telling
Mike Dowling
the
Jenny
world what the problem is.
Mike Dowling
Yeah, I think there's a split there because you're quite right. We don't want to hand information to the opposition. I know that John Davis, when he was here, he used to troll social media just to see. Really?
Mike Dowling
players' parents or partners had said something about their plans at the weekend, just in case they got an idea that so-and-so wasn't playing. So, any advantage you can try and take, people will try and take it. So, I know Steve doesn't like giving out information on injuries. The only thing I think he doesn't necessarily understand from us on the the longer term, most of us are only interested in how is the person.
Mike Dowling
If the player is injured, that's fine, but are they right? So we want to check on them. And also, what you're saying about a settled XI, just as you were saying it, I was like, yeah, yeah. And I thought, oh, god, can you imagine the social media, though?
Mike Dowling
Because if the team hasn't won in two games, what's the point in sticking to the team? They can't win, blah, blah, blah. So they're doing this.
Jenny
Well, we're getting relegated now.
Mike Dowling
We've got that later. Don't worry, we've got that to talk about. Right, you've hinted.
Jenny
Yeah.
Mike Dowling
Going into the game. Come on, we're going to get a result. Keep it tight for the first 20 blah, blah, blah. Three and a bit minutes in penalty.
Mike Dowling
What were you thinking at that point?
Jenny
Do you know at that moment? I'm like, that's it. It's ruined. No, I really did.
Jenny
I don't know why. It wasn't like, yeah, that's all right. They fight. They could come back.
Jenny
I don't know. A penalty. And I'm like, oh, for heaven's sake. Well, sorry.
Jenny
Yeah. You know, and I thought, that's it. I don't know what I thought. We're not going to we're not going
Mike Dowling
to
Jenny
come back from this. I don't know why, but that's my gut feeling. And I thought, what? And and, you know, I thought it was soft, but I've looked back at it.
Jenny
And I thought, now, you know, all players, they're savvy, especially if they're going in the box. And I thought, sorry, but don't give the attacker or whoever's going into the box the opportunity to fall over your leg. Now, he went in for a tackle. Who was it?
Mike Dowling
Anyway, I
Jenny
saw it, I slowed it down. The guy went into there, right? We might have even touched the ball, but don't give him the opportunity. The forest green player, he went over on him and the referee, it's in real time, you know, we haven't got VAR, boom.
Jenny
And I thought it was soft, but don't, if you're in the box, don't touch it. You know what it's like, touch a player, they're going to go down, aren't they? And they might hope to, and the referee was willing
Mike Dowling
to give
Jenny
him it so quick. But if it
Mike Dowling
was at the other end, I would take it. Yeah, we wouldn't say software license. No, absolutely. But Jack was close.
Mike Dowling
We looked it when I watched it on TV. I watched it back. So you went the right way. I think it was higher than expected.
Mike Dowling
Yeah. But my heart
Jenny
sank. I just, you know, did really did.
Mike Dowling
I mean, he, he probably is one of the few players that came out of that game with any credit. He made some
Jenny
brilliant saves.
Mike Dowling
Yeah.
Jenny
Yeah. He'd know he's some cracking saves.
Mike Dowling
I feel,
Jenny
I always feel sorry for him because you know, like strikers like to score, but goalkeepers want clean sheets. And, and I, I can honestly say the second goal, there was no I've got other things to say about that as well but definitely the third and fourth got he had no chance I don't think
Mike Dowling
but I also liked the slightly more vocal angry jack where he came out and gave a right bollocking to people a couple times I was like right this is going to be good obviously which last night wasn't but it's going to be good yeah and Now, this is a question. Did we lose the game or were we beaten? And I think there's something, there's a difference between those two.
Mike Dowling
Did we lose or were we actually just beaten, my better side?
Jenny
I, I think at the end of the day, they were right. They were the better side, but there were things we just weren't doing. We, we, you know, and I nearly thought, Oh my God, this, I hadn't done pre-season. So Saturday was the first
Mike Dowling
time I'd
Jenny
seen this side, which was quite good because pre-season is always a bit false in my view. Um, and, and Saturday was, okay, you know, lots of chances, but no one put more. I thought, okay, but last night, oh, you know, we, Forest Green were better than us. And I'll be honest, after that penalty, and To me, the ref gave it very quick and it seemed like he was happy to give it, you know, not even going to think about it.
Jenny
That's his penalty. And therefore I thought, oh, and then when he started booking that and I'm like, no, we're not going to win this. But boy, I'll be honest. I mean, thank God.
Jenny
What did he give? Nine minutes added time at the end. and I'm like oh god quick now just finish it because in the end they were ripping us apart they were to me they were ripping us apart because they scored you know and and their heads our heads I don't think their heads dropped to that although you could tell they were gutted at the end but but we gave them so much room and they were fast and our passing, we'd perhaps do four or five decent passes and then instead of it moving on, they'd come in, nick the ball and off they went and we gave
Jenny
them so much room. If you look at the highlights on the second goal after the corner came in, two of their players out to, so Jack's right, so near the away fans, right? And one of them ultimately scored it. There was no one near him.
Jenny
And we have eight players in the box. You know, they weren't pressing. They were all, oh, and I said, you know, I did. And when they were going down the wing, why do we give them space of like 10 yards?
Jenny
Press. When we were going down, they were on us. Yes. Straight on us, nearly on the, you know, on the back.
Jenny
When they had the ball, is that fitness? Is it is it they're asked to back off? I can't see they're asked to back off them. No,
Mike Dowling
but we
Jenny
we we didn't press them.
Mike Dowling
No. Steve was clearly um because he got booked as well um we thought he got sent off
Jenny
because he was the other side but he just got booked i think didn't he
Mike Dowling
well i think he went on to uh after he got booked he went on then to berate the fourth official and i was like i think he's trying to get sent off here
Jenny
yeah but then he sat down it's only john that was
Mike Dowling
yeah i think that's i think that's what they've I think that's what they'll establish. If he gets booked, he's going to go sit in the dugout. Yeah, because
Jenny
they don't want him sent off, obviously. So, yeah, John took over.
Mike Dowling
Do you think it was he was thinking that the plan wasn't executed? Or do you think it was that, again, we were just being beaten in individual duels?
Jenny
They beat us in individual duels. You see, I'm sure that, I don't know, it's like bad day at the office, yeah, okay. But I couldn't believe how much, because they were good. how much space we gave them to continue
Mike Dowling
to
Jenny
be good. So if we got in their faces more, and they got in our faces, if we got in their faces more, maybe that they were worried that the referee was a bit, and he wasn't, you know, touchy. See when they, you know, when we did touch them and they went down, you know, free kick and a couple of times of booking. So does that get in their heads?
Jenny
Because we gave them so much room and we just kept losing the ball. We had a couple of plays where we had some nice interpassing and they were all, you know, all right, right. And then the next pass, we, we, you know, we'd give it, it'd go wrong and
Mike Dowling
we give it back to them. And that's what
Jenny
would, that's what would disappoint Steve and this fact that we didn't, we didn't press them. And whether it's this in your head, if we press them, get near them, they go down, we might get a booking and we, and they'll have a free kick, which didn't,
Mike Dowling
I don't know. Do we, I know it's easy to say, but do you think that, They can just go, right, that's done. We're starting all over again on Saturday. Or is there going to be a bit of a psychological fallout?
Mike Dowling
I mean, how does everyone regroup? Because going into Saturday now, bank holiday weekend, hopefully it's going to be a nice day. You're going to have this feeling that some of those fans are going to be quite flat because they're like, ugh. How do we all just kind of go, right, it's gone?
Mike Dowling
Well, I,
Jenny
I must admit it's like last night, you know, I'm like, Oh God, you know, that boom BC Saturday, no matter how good scum thought, Oh, whatever. I will go back and I will, I would take it that I turn up. That's where you remember I kept saying last season, we're going to give someone a good Tonkin. We never did.
Jenny
Um, so Saturday I'll be positive that we will get a result. We probably don't, but I'll always then, you know, the next match, it's like, right, that one's gone. You can't change it the next time. Because I reminded myself today that it's not a totally new team.
Jenny
But when I looked at the names, I'm like, oh, blimey, you know, apart from all the Jacks, we've got loads of Jacks, haven't we? But, you know, Simps, Sims, Nadders, Faz, Taylor, and Harry, you know what I mean? It's sort of, they then have got to get used to new players again. And this is game three for God's sake.
Jenny
I know they've had pre-season, but these people, you know, come on, you know, they've got to gel
Mike Dowling
together. Well, yeah, on the gelling, it's been pointed out that the same back three was in this game as in the Fulham game. Do you think that's fair? Or I mean, it is a fact, but do you think it's fair to point it out as well?
Mike Dowling
I mean,
Jenny
I didn't. I have to say, I mean, I don't do because I'm a bit of one of these glory hunters. I went to the final last year. Sorry, but I'm not going to go to any National Cup matches.
Jenny
Right. And I actually forgot it was on and then I and it's free to watch. So I turned it on when we were like four nil down. And I'm like, oh, crikey.
Jenny
I was watching and I'm like, who's in the team? Because it was really, you know, it was rubbish. But anyway, I'm full of money. I didn't watch.
Jenny
I watched about 25 minutes of it. So I couldn't. And I thought, well, that's not good, but it can't be most of the first team out, so that shouldn't affect them. Now, if that was the back four, I don't know.
Jenny
Again, these are young lads. Do you know, I think people forget, right? Okay, they're full-time professionals, but they're human beings. They are not, you know, the back line of Man City, the back line of Chelsea, the back line.
Jenny
Do you know what I mean? They're human and why shouldn't it get in their heads? If I just let in, if I'm that back line and I, and I'd let in seven goals, even though the goalkeeper is different, right? Then you're playing for a script.
Jenny
They, they are already two new up, you know, very quick and a little creeping of, Oh shit. Oh, swore on your podcast. Sorry. But no, do you know what I mean?
Jenny
Yeah. I'm human. Perhaps they need to get our friend back in.
Mike Dowling
It's natural. You have this thing of, I want to be sure, so you become too cautious. And by becoming too cautious is when the mistakes come in and you get pressed. Like you said, they're on you all of a sudden.
Mike Dowling
And that's kind of a snowball effect.
Jenny
Josh Coley said that last year, I remember his talk saying they're then frightened to do things that are literally natural for them because it'll go wrong and then it goes wrong anyway and
Mike Dowling
then all of a
Jenny
sudden their heads just gone, you know.
Mike Dowling
As you said a couple of times, people are jumping ahead. We've jumped ahead. It's free games. When those fixtures lists came out, and we saw that Rourke, Forest Green, Scunthorpe, Rochdale, all of them were up there.
Mike Dowling
um so we knew that august was going to be a tough month i mean we every single but well every regional person should have went that is going to be really really tricky um if we get anything out of all those yeah we're gonna look good um i mean york were like 16 points or something ahead of the next place team something stupid i can't remember what it was that's not a fact but i can't remember um but where i mean do you Do you kind of just, I mean, I know this answer already now. Do you just shrug it off and go, okay, let's see where we are in another 10 games or whatever? Or do you, oh, hang on, we need something now.
Jenny
No, I'm not. God, I ain't going to panic after three games and all that. My only, it's not a fear, because although we've got more, we've got people like AJ in now, don't call him Aaron. You said, thanks Aaron.
Jenny
Yes. When he finishes.
Mike Dowling
Aaron's fine. It's Aaron. All right. All right.
Jenny
No, no. What I was going to say is the thing is, my only fear would be that if, a losing run or not these or letting in a lot of goals continues too long with the lads. What does it do in here? That's all.
Jenny
And that's where the we didn't really have it last season. We need that. We need that experienced body there. And hopefully AJ will be that that when, you know, someone you know he's having bad or it's getting in their head remember they're with each other all week then that's where the experienced guy is going to come in if you haven't got that and they're all fairly inexperienced
Jenny
then then that's where it could go badly wrong and and you know footballers are ruined by letting it get in their heads you know
Mike Dowling
strange lot I think we've got a couple of AJ and Woody as well to be like, this has happened. We need to talk about it. If we need to talk about it, it's fine to be like, I'm a bit scared or whatever, because we can deal with it. I mean, you've hinted at some of these.
Mike Dowling
I didn't put out a message for the points of views because I could see them quite clearly. Morrow out. Relegation form are the two most common. As I said in the group, it's taken me a long time to realize I don't necessarily get that affected by the result, okay?
Mike Dowling
Because as Johnny said in his book, one of his books, sorry, is football's great because there's always another game. There's another game to get over it. So I generally don't get too bothered by the actual result. Obviously, I'd like to win every game.
Mike Dowling
It's the general glee that we've lost people, we've got something to jump on that kind of gets me down a little bit, because it's like, you've been waiting, you've been literally don't hear from you. And then suddenly, you've been waiting to jump on this. You're free. old school as well.
Mike Dowling
Sutton United, people can always add 19 months or a year and whatever it is. That's not long enough to build a team. It's going to take a while. But what do you think of the sort of general, just that's it, it's a disaster.
Mike Dowling
We're going to get relegated to the Conference South and Morrish should be out. Don't wait till Christmas, there's another one.
Jenny
I question why they want to support Sutton United then. I question why, why, why do you support, you know, go and find a team that are successful or what you think are better. All this, you know, you go back, I mean, we're not premiership only, but look how long Fergie got at Man United. He could have been easily sacked his first season.
Jenny
Look what he went on to do. I'm not saying Steve's anything like that, but you've got to... Who was it? Well, I'll tell you why I brought that up.
Jenny
I don't know who it was. It might have been Roy Keane, whoever. And he said the reason, or something, that Man United are in the mess they are, look how many managers they've had. They don't give them time.
Jenny
You know, and I'm not talking half a season, 10 matches, 20 matches. Listen, if we're not getting relegated, well, we're not going to get relegated. But what about year three? All of a sudden, you know, the floodgates open.
Jenny
It gets me so annoyed. And my thing is, why do you support us now? Saturday, if we win, say, 2-0, and we played well, but we win 2-0, say, right? A, it'll be nothing heard from these people that moan.
Jenny
But then it'll be... Oh, oh, well, you know, oh, yeah, well, look, we're on
Mike Dowling
a roll now. I
Jenny
mean, I just don't understand.
Mike Dowling
It'll be still not good enough.
Jenny
Yeah.
Mike Dowling
Yeah.
Jenny
Oh, someone else. Listen, in our area, not here, not in my area. No good team in this area, mate. Trust me where I live.
Jenny
I'm talking. But look, look at something in the area. Right. Go and support another team then.
Jenny
You know that you think Look at Wimbledon, look how they've... My God, if you're a fan of theirs, you've been through the mill more than you have with Sutton,
Mike Dowling
you know?
Jenny
Out of
Mike Dowling
business, new
Jenny
to... Do you know what I mean?
Mike Dowling
If
Jenny
you're at my age, go and support... Whoever! But, you know, get behind the bloody
Mike Dowling
people. It's not a case of having to agree with every single thing. No! It's very easy.
Mike Dowling
Like, you joked around, you jumped on the bandwagon, a glory hunter of the National League Cup. It's really easy to go, okay, I'm supporting that team, they're doing well. That's a piece of piss to say we're doing well, I'm going to support our team. It's when things aren't going great that you kind of have to go, right, now it's my turn to do something.
Mike Dowling
And this is where those young'uns are going to come into their own. I know Sean Miles went over there and they're saying, let's get people out there. I know Aaron said people being out there when we're warming up just to have that little feeling of what we're doing is like, come on, we've got to do it for these guys. So, yeah.
Jenny
Steve said last night, didn't he? He said after the match, we all stayed and clapped the team and we all
Mike Dowling
did.
Jenny
I wasn't going to walk out or shout out because there was a match when we were in League 2. I was horrified. I mean, I really was where a particular person near me was giving the team bad rubber. And I thought, no, no, no, no, you don't do that mate.
Jenny
Where were you 10 years ago? Listen, if they're in the Isthmian League, I'll still, I'll be down there. You know, I'll be
Mike Dowling
down
Jenny
at Green Lake. Success is fantastic, but it's easy to support when they're successful. Get behind them when they're having a bit of a rough patch. Of course it's horrible getting relegated out of League 2.
Jenny
Of course it's horrible getting relegated out of the conference side. But don't just, you know, get behind them. There's
Mike Dowling
a difference between, like I said, there's people seemingly to be gleeful. As you have demonstrated, without necessarily realising, the frustration. It's like, I'm disappointed and frustrated. Yes, of course you are.
Mike Dowling
We've just lost the game. Steve uses that word quite a lot. And when he's on doing his thing, he's open and honest. I don't know what to say.
Mike Dowling
What do you want me to say? I'm really annoyed about this. But anyway, we've talked quite a lot about it. So I
Jenny
get frustrated, but line drawn under next match when I'm driving up. to come see him play Scunthorpe, I'm glass half full, I think, yeah, we're going to win this, or we're going to draw, we're going to play well. If we don't, oh, come on, not again, okay, I'm still going to be there. You know, I'm not going to, no.
Jenny
Else, if they don't like it, go, if you're gleeful, bugger off.
Mike Dowling
Sorry, I'm going to swear a lot on this. You know, go and support
Jenny
someone
Mike Dowling
else. And just realize you're not gonna have a podcast to listen to on your drive down there, because you know what you said.
Jenny
Oh yeah, but that's gonna be brought up in part of this later in the video. I know, but I
Mike Dowling
tell
Jenny
you what, he was alright. He looked, can I just say, when they came over, because they come over and clap, he, all the players did look gutted, you know, they didn't look lethal, right? They weren't, oh well, just another, oh well, we lost, never mind. And an agent, he stood there for quite a while looking at us.
Jenny
You could see he came, not close, but he came close. And it was like, it wasn't, oh, what have I come to? Well, I don't know, he might lie and he'll say that, but it was, You know, we've let you down, but they look gutted. You know, give them a break, guys.
Jenny
And it's going to be guys. I don't know if the girls. Anyway,
Mike Dowling
we're going to do the good, the bad and the funny. I know you said you had stuff. So back to you in a second.
Jenny
OK.
Mike Dowling
Uh, right. What was good?
Jenny
Well, because you sort of mentioned it already, but I have to say, I live in only 26 miles from Forest Green. It only takes me just over half an hour. And when I turned the podcast on, it was over an hour. And I'm like, oh, so the good was on the way there.
Jenny
It was listening to half the podcast. And on my return, that's what I got. I listened to the other half, and he was brilliant. So that was the good, was the actual podcast listening to it.
Jenny
Nothing else in it. No, but that was the good. And I want to ask you, because I meant to, I was listening to it, and I was like, is he going to give you a discount at his Pleasure Beach thing? I thought, you're going to ask for it.
Jenny
You're going to ask for it. I
Mike Dowling
said at the end, put Silent Podcasting as a discount code. See what happens. Nothing's going to happen.
Jenny
I thought, go on, Mike, you're going to take the fat. Anyway, no, the good was listening, half of it. And it was a shame I got to the ground. I'm like, oh.
Jenny
And I thought, OK, listen to the other half. on the way home, which was good because that was great. The match didn't rest on me and I weren't moaning. I was listening to that and that was fantastic.
Jenny
That was the good.
Mike Dowling
I'm not sure we should really big up the podcast on the podcast, but thank you very much. Thank you. One of
Jenny
the gaps was voting for podcast of the year, is it? There is, in one of the little advert bits, you can vote for your favourite podcast.
Mike Dowling
I don't get to see them. I just get to try and work out. Well, anyway,
Jenny
I'm going to get back and vote for, might not be yours, but no. Yeah.
Mike Dowling
Anyway,
Jenny
that was the good.
Mike Dowling
And
Jenny
what was
Mike Dowling
bad?
Jenny
The bad, I'll be honest, he got better as the match went on, but I thought the ref was by early on. I really did think he was frightened to give anything to us. Even like the penalty strike, penalty, I'm like, what? Now, as it turned out, We gave him that opportunity.
Jenny
But I actually thought he was very poor. Cards, yeah, we gave him. And I think he gave Forest Green one, eventually. But the other bad, got to be careful, because it shouldn't have been in sport, and I don't think it should be on podcasts.
Jenny
But as you probably saw around the edge, they had this free Palestine logo going around the edge of the pitch, where it's lit up. And the Palestinian flag, OK. That's your view. And I actually spoke to the police about it, not to complain, but I said, I guess the only time you could actually do anything is if they were support Palestine action, you know, that group.
Jenny
And he said, yeah, we'd have to do something. But my feeling the bad is what about and we're all teams are multinational now. What about or even fans? What about there's fans from the opposition and even in the home end who have got relatives from Israel or Jewish?
Jenny
I'm not saying which side and going into the politics of it, but to me, That's not for match days, having that go round. And I thought that was bad. You know, there could be a player on the opposing side who has Jewish relatives. No, I'm sorry.
Jenny
Keep it out for 90 minutes or 96. Keep it out of football. Sorry, Dale. I think you were wrong.
Jenny
And that's when I thought you were bad. But that's my view. And that's not saying whoever I'm supporting.
Mike Dowling
I don't know.
Jenny
Yeah, I just thought
Mike Dowling
I
Jenny
was
Mike Dowling
wrong. Not
Jenny
good enough.
Mike Dowling
What what was funny?
Jenny
Well, so driving down, I don't go on the M4, I go via Malmsbury on an A road and I'm going along and my WhatsApp, it comes up on the radio, you know, you've got WhatsApp and it says, and Sarah had said, Oh damn, I forgot to bring my milk. So as you know from various other things I've mentioned in WhatsApp, you can answer it. Do you want to reply?
Jenny
And so I went, yes, Sarah, you know, can you pull in somewhere and take a little milk pod from Costa Coffee or something? And she said, no, I'm not going that way. But on the drive down, I was going through Brinkworth and a friend of mine lives along there. So I basically turned into where he lives, phoned him up.
Jenny
I pulled over, stopped, phoned him up. I said, Robin, can I have a bit of milk? I've got a bottle of water. So I emptied my water bottle and he went, yeah, where are you?
Jenny
I went outside your house. So I went in, he gave me some milk and that was it. And I said, got on the WhatsApp and I said, Sarah, I've got your milk. Jenny thank you very much anyway but also near Malmsbury they've got a Waitrose so I thought well maybe other people will have forgotten their milk like Francis maybe and that so I went in and bought a very small bottle I then got those.
Jenny
They didn't search us, they searched our bags, but I put them in my pockets because it was a bit nippy and I had a coat. And I went in, got through and at their little kiosk, I had this bottle of milk for Sarah and she had some in it and she used that. And I said to people, I've got fresh milk here if you're all right. And the police were around.
Jenny
I said, I'm sorry. I said, you might have to arrest me, but I brought in some contraband. and so they said what and I showed him this milk and then I won't mention who it was but one of our female fans she got up I'm gonna tell her she'll get embarrassed now I won't tell you who it was she went but Jen she said I hid she said I hid two sausage rolls down my bra I tell you, the people that were sneaking in meat products and everything, but no, we used the whole milk cup.
Jenny
And the reason we lost, I upset the vegan gods by
Mike Dowling
bringing in
Jenny
milk.
Mike Dowling
I
Jenny
reckon, I reckon it was my fault. Hands up.
Mike Dowling
Sorry,
Jenny
Steve. I upset the vegan gods bringing in milk, pint of milk. So yeah, but that was the funny, this milk saga.
Mike Dowling
He'll play this tomorrow. He'll be like, don't worry, boys. We're not going to analyze the game. It's Jenny's
Jenny
fault. Vegan gods have already put it on the Facebook thing. I said, sorry, guys. It was me.
Jenny
I brought milk in and the vegan gods weren't happy. But that was
Mike Dowling
it. I
Jenny
upset them. But that's it. That's the funny. I thought it was hilarious.
Jenny
I'm
Mike Dowling
trying not to think of that, to be honest. I'm trying to wipe that from the memory. I
Jenny
know, but yeah. Anyway, go on, go on,
Mike Dowling
go on. We've got a nice easy game, Scunthorpe, on Saturday. You've won both their games and they've had a week's rest. How important do you think that week's rest is going to be?
Mike Dowling
And how much psychological advantage do you think they're going to have of winning their two games and we've not won yet? Or too early? Doesn't make any difference.
Jenny
If you put it the other way round, if that was us being scunthorpe, we haven't had a match, right? People are going to go into it going, yeah, well, that's all right then. We've had a week off. We'd be better.
Jenny
If they approach it like that, and as you know, it always goes wrong if we think like, you know, if you, It's mental again, isn't it? It's mental again. You know, a team goes down to 10 and we're playing the 10 men, you can guarantee we're going to have a shocker match. You know, it's going to be shocking.
Jenny
We're not going to win it. It's 10 men though. Mentally, we should. We should do, come on, 10 men.
Jenny
So if they think Sutton, they've let in 11 in these, you know, right. They've just had a hard game, Forest Green. I'm sure they won't go into it like that. But if they do, we can surprise them.
Jenny
I actually don't think, listen, that these people are young, fit guys, right? Shouldn't matter that the fact they didn't have a match, to me, is our guys. They want to get Forest Green out of their system. That's the way I'd look at it.
Jenny
Steve would have them and Meanie. John would say, right, you've got a chance to put this right Saturday. If they don't come out pumped up, ready to put one over Scunthorpe, I would be really surprised. I mean, it might be blown up by 10 minutes, but that's how they should come out.
Jenny
Scunthorpe, I don't think, oh, well, we've had a week off. You need to be playing football. I mean, this time of the season, what's a week off? I'm sure they'd have preferred to play a match on a Tuesday.
Jenny
I do, even though they might have one on Monday. Sorry, I don't think a week off this time of the season does anything. It doesn't matter
Mike Dowling
at all. The Prediction League is out there. It's obviously early days so lots of people couldn't still join and catch up. Did anyone get
Jenny
it right last night?
Mike Dowling
No, a couple of people. Someone had to lose one nil or two nil or something so they got quite a few points they got the number of goals correct
Jenny
no names
Mike Dowling
yeah i i don't remember it because i tend to just check to see if there's duplicates now and that's it um but your early prediction obviously you can change it right up to kickoff so you can play a bluffing game now if you wish um but um just to let you know ai um which I haven't done I haven't done that podcast but AI has gone for a 2-2 draw with Nadas. Oh I've never thought of using that
Jenny
oh thanks
Mike Dowling
give me an idea. I've entered that into the into the prediction league this year so I've got I've got a line for AI's prediction as well. Oh, I
Jenny
didn't know that.
Mike Dowling
Oh, I didn't either. I can't remember whether it's hitting me or not, probably. Do all from
Jenny
AI? We do
Mike Dowling
with NADA's score. It reckons that neither team are going to enjoy the ball in the air, and our pressing could concern Scunthorpe.
Jenny
Well, it won't if it's
Mike Dowling
AI. Just to let you know, a couple of weeks ago, AI confidently told me that Will Davis would be the first goalscorer. So what What it actually does, I don't know, but that's what it said. It sounded confident, but like I said, it still thinks it's Will Davis.
Mike Dowling
So what's your prediction, which obviously, as I say, you can change.
Jenny
Yeah, I'll be honest. I always go for a win, even though part of me thinks, you know, we're going to lose that. I will always go for a win and I'll be happy with a cheeky one nil. Seriously, I'll
Mike Dowling
be
Jenny
happy with a cheeky one nil.
Mike Dowling
You
Jenny
know, get the points on the board. Stop all these wins. If they don't, I'm not bothered about that. But seriously, Christmas, I see where we are by Christmas and we'd be fine.
Jenny
Same. I know it's an old hat, but even if we weren't, I will still be there, you know? So, but no, I'd be happy with a cheeky 1-0 win. If we could do, you know, 5-0, it'd be brilliant.
Jenny
I'm
Mike Dowling
going to go for a nice high-scoring game. I'm going to go 3-2 to us. Yeah, no, that'd be good.
Jenny
Actually, that'd be, yeah, nicer than a 1-0, but yeah, we'll, yeah.
Mike Dowling
You mentioned Altrium. Steve did say that the Altrium game last year was the worst thing that could have happened because it lifted everyone's expectations. Maybe the Forest Green game is the best thing that's going to happen because it's dampened everyone's expectations. No,
Jenny
absolutely. Absolutely.
Mike Dowling
I
Jenny
totally
Mike Dowling
agree with
Jenny
you. But no, that's good. And all will be well people that are listening. Stop
Mike Dowling
having a go at
Jenny
everyone. We've had three games.
Mike Dowling
Get a grip. Come on. Right, we're going to wrap up this episode of Sutton Podcast. As always, we appreciate everyone's attention and feedback.
Mike Dowling
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Mike Dowling
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Mike Dowling
Hope you've enjoyed this episode. Take care, and we'll catch up soon. Bye bye.
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