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Speaker 5: Hello and welcome to another episode of Sutton United Talk Time on podcast. It's the Sutton podcast. I'm your host Mike. In association with LuckystarGin, we're bringing you the post-Harleypool game. New platform. We're only with Jack at the moment, which may or may not be related to why Rory's not on yet, but we don't know. But Rory may pop on at any point, but we're gonna, as I say, talk about Harleypool, and we're going to look forward to the FA Cup match obviously the engagement is important we like hearing from you likes the shares the comments all
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Speaker 5: the rest of it you know you know that and thank you to everyone who regularly does that. We're going to jump in and get this over with because I've held him on hostage for a bit long already. But Jack, how are you?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not too bad.
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Speaker 5: You exist, that's fine. Could be worse.
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Speaker 6: No, it could be worse. I was on a bus for 7 and a half hours yesterday. Yeah, yeah. Same as some other brilliant people. So it was, yeah, I'm very, very, well, not happy, but you know what I mean.
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Speaker 5: You're tired.
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Speaker 6: In as good a mood as it can be.
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Speaker 5: Exactly, exactly. It's your first match day pod, obviously we had you on previously, so you're going to, difficult position on this 1, We'll give it a try but you're gonna have your Sutton fan head on and also you've got your official head on as well. So if I stray you down anywhere we can always reverse.
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Speaker 6: That's fine.
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Speaker 5: It's unlikely let's be fair on positive Mike.
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Speaker 6: We'll see.
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Speaker 5: So this is going to be a very difficult question for you, because obviously you've joined Sutton fairly recently, but you have chosen a fan, a player, and we're just going to do the knowing me, knowing you section. So give me 1 second. I'll play the jingle, hopefully.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Oh, I can hear that. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: As everyone knows, I have way too much time on my hands. So the question that you were set very late in the week was, who is your favourite ever Sutton player? Obviously, you've got a fairly limited pool to call upon, but you do know a lot of Sutton players and you've had to deal with some of the history and hear us talking about them so who is your favorite ever Sutton player?
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Speaker 6: It's difficult I actually weirdly have a couple
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Speaker 5: okay so
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Speaker 6: obviously a big fan of Lewis Simper because Lewis Simper is an unbelievable footballer and probably should not be at this level. And very big fan of Harry Ransom. I think Harry Ransom is just brilliant. As a person, I think he's brilliant. So they would probably be my top 2, but like, I'm honestly, I'm not going to lie. Like every single 1 of the lads that we have signed are great human beings they are great lads and I think that's Jesus sounds like I'm being bad this already sounds like I'm being biased. We have signed a lot
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Speaker 6: of guys who get on very well and are also lovely human beings. So yeah overall those 2 on the pitch, the Harry's brilliant, but they're all great. Thiju's great, Edwina was great, like they are all great, great boys.
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Speaker 5: You were saying a different name beforehand as we were chit chatting, but I'll put you on the spot and say it, come on.
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Speaker 6: Roy Keane. Roy Keane and Paul Schultz. I'm so sorry. I've let you die. I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 5: You've been outed. Here
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Speaker 6: you go. It happens. I can't believe it. I'm so sorry I'm Irish. I didn't mean to do it. I won't do it again.
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Speaker 5: No worries. So the news, I didn't really do an awful lot because I've been trying to work all these different things out today so I'm really rubbish but obviously do the official site for proper news but the ladies side drew 2-2 today they came back from 2-0 yeah team couldn't hold a 2-0 lead yeah anyway Special congrats to Sophie who made her 50th appearance today. So well done, Sophie. And yeah, it's kicking away ladies. It's doing all right. And you may have noticed another new platform keeps life exciting for me. Don't really know what I'm doing
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Speaker 5: on it, but never mind. But we're going to jump into the game quickly. How were you feeling ahead of the match? I mean, you've got a little bit, not huge amount, but you've got a little bit more insight than a lot of us, because you do get to kind of see what's going on in various places but we were in good form. Hardly people weren't in good form and we've done particularly well away so ahead of the game what were your kind of hopes and expectations? Oh, here we go.
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Speaker 1: Hi Mike, hi Jack.
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Speaker 5: It's alright, you can answer the question and we'll jump on to the rule, don't worry.
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Speaker 6: So I was on the boss up on the way on Friday, same as Saturday, like I was there the whole time with the players, with everything and very calm and confident. That was the feeling the whole way through. I think that was the same sentiment the whole way through, not the whole way through the match, but to a certain extent of the match. Whenever I was there, they were incredibly loud, they were incredibly outspoken and to be fair to the Hartley Booth fans, they were brilliant. Like they were, like we were 2-0 up and they were
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Speaker 6: booing Darnsall and they were calling for his head but whenever they brought on 2 or 3 different substitutions they went mental. Like they went crazy, they were cheering. Like I have never heard somebody cheer so much for a substitution ever not in any football match they were going for it so what it's a difficult 1 we went up and we were in 4 games unbeaten and we were ready to go again. We had gone through all the data, we'd gone through all the video, everything was done and you could see it up until half time we
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Speaker 6: were completely in control and the substitutions.
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Speaker 5: We'll come onto the match in
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Speaker 1: a second was just just
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Speaker 5: or how you were confident going into it.
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Speaker 6: Sorry
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Speaker 5: Rory gonna get you up to speed nice to see you then
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Speaker 1: Sorry for doing fashion relate.
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Speaker 5: That's all right. We're looking for you, I'm not gonna play the jingle again, but it did work. Who is your favourite something player of all time? Now you've got a slightly larger pool to consider and Jack did cheat and put 2, but who is your favourite player of all time?
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Speaker 6: If he doesn't choose Mickey Joyce, he's wrong.
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Speaker 1: The dominant Feltnam I think Barry Laker because I had a bit of a thing for defenders Barry Laker Mark Costello was a huge Mark Costello fan back in the day.
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Speaker 6: No Jimmy Dack?
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Speaker 1: Oh Jimmy Dack yeah Jimmy Dack.
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Speaker 6: Yeah we're not there eventually.
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Speaker 1: Yeah Jimmy Dack, yeah Mark Watson centre midfield I was a big fan of but I think it's got to be Nassim McRuer for me. It was kind of when I was 17, 18 when we won the league. He used to go home and away and scored that hat trick against Aylesbury. I scored those couple of goals against Alesbury and yeah, he was my favourite player. So yeah, it'll be it'll be him for me. Who was yours Jack and Mike? And did you answer that?
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Speaker 5: I didn't answer that. I dodged it. Jack went for Simpa and Harry Ransom from the current crop, because obviously he's got something less poor. He did tell me before.
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Speaker 1: I'm Mickey Joyce. And he did tell me before
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Speaker 5: about Mickey Joyce, because we've all, none of us saw them live, but we could all probably describe every goal of Mickey Joyce, because we've all heard them from.
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Speaker 6: Everybody's heard about them from somewhere. They were all absolutely stunners.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, 95 years I've heard 1 of them. But yeah, it's a difficult question and it's no surprise that your player is from the era when you kind of first was getting there going up to the home and away games because I think everyone ends up with I like this guy. There's a guy at work. His favorite player is Will Puddy, the goalkeeper we had on loan for a couple of weeks. He was like, he's great. I was like, we didn't have him long. How could he be away? I think we had him about half a season.
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Speaker 5: But I was just asking Jack about what was the expectations before the game. So obviously good form and they weren't in great form. What were you feeling before the match? Were you, we should be beating the teams the likes of?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was always really confident. I think I've been to every obviously some I live in the Northeast now, I've been to every Hartlepool Southern match for the past, however, many times we've played 6 or 7 years, never lost there. And then we went with some Hartlepool fans who were, as you said, Jack, were moaning about the manager beforehand saying in a way that they hoped they'd lose yesterday to get rid of Mr Searle. So I was really confident, I was thinking given like you say 4 on the bounce They're not playing very well. I thought
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Speaker 1: we had it in the bag really and not to jump too far ahead but to start kind of suggested that as well. But yeah I was really confident. Why not look good as
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Speaker 5: well. Well we'll jump into that start. I mean there was a slight thing with the lineup with Harry taking injury on Friday night which obviously Steve mentioned but keeps his cards close to his chest on there but what were your I mean was it 10 minutes and and Jaden scores and Jaden a machine and scores and then was it 25ish we tuned up tuned it up and playing absolutely brilliantly at that point must have decided I would go home now, were we?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was such a good start, really well. We played such good football that first 25. We should have scored 3 or 4, I think as Steve said, I think we should have scored 3 or 4 in that in that first 25 minutes we're all over them yeah crowd was getting on their backs I thought yeah such a strong start and yeah Jadon was immense I thought the first 10-15 minutes so was Josh as well I think Josh was causing them a lot of trouble, Baz on the other side.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: was a great start, couldn't ask for a better start, but then obviously next to Andy, I mean, Andy looked at each other and thought, yeah, this isn't going to last, he just had that feeling that when we didn't score that first.
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Speaker 6: Where's the confidence?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the, too many times going 2-0 up.
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Speaker 5: We were 4-0 up against the Walsons at the start of the season But I mean this kind of jumps onto a later 1. Sorry Jack, how were you feeling in that sort of first half hour or so? Were you literally racking it up going how many are we going to get here?
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Speaker 6: So on Saturday, yesterday, it feels like a couple of days ago now, I was doing the footage, literally filming for the analysis stuff. And I was turning around to their 3 analysts and I was being a little bit too big for my boots. Not badly, but I was celebrating. You know what I mean? We were scoring, not whenever you're normal analysts or whatever, me in the press box, whatever happens, you don't jump up and you don't go for it. And I had jumped up several times and I had gone for it. Yeah, the first half was
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Speaker 6: great. We shouldn't have been too ineluctable. We should
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Speaker 1: have been 2 or 3 or
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Speaker 6: 4 ineluctable. 5, if even. And so, yeah, I was fairly, I was happy. I wasn't delighted because I knew what we could have got, but I was happy.
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Speaker 5: This is something that Steve said, and a couple of other people have said this. So, cause you guys have both basically brought it up. This idea of putting the game to bed and we should have put the game to bed, we should have blah, blah, blah. It's a tricky 1.
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Speaker 1: We should have held onto a 2-0 lead, but to put the
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Speaker 5: game to bed means you've got to go for it because 2-0 is always going to be 2-0 and they always say it's a tricky score line. If you go for it, you are going to leave yourself open no matter what you do. It's either you go with the Marino style and just go, that's it, game's over. Keep going for it. Hindsight is a wonderful, wonderful thing, but should we have kept going for it or should we have just gone, that's it, we're done, we're finished here, we've got 2 nil away from home, you're not getting another
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Speaker 5: shot.
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Speaker 1: I think the first thing we should have gone for, I think knowing that the second half they'd be kicking towards their home crowd. There's a bit of a kind of slope there in the first half where we had that slight advantage of the slope towards our goal.
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Speaker 6: So yeah I think we
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Speaker 1: should have pushed on and but then I think to be fair I think we did I think we created lots of chances There was that oneồ Davis almost scored almost spring there in the far post Thing on a on another day that's gone in that steering you and then the game is pretty much 2 bed So I think we did keep pressing.
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Speaker 2: It
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Speaker 1: was just after half time, it just seemed to all fall apart. I think first off, we were like you said, Shep, I thought we were great. I thought we played some great football, pressed really high. I thought we were fat. We were really, really good.
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Speaker 5: But That's what I mean is everyone says now with what happened We should have that's it shouldn't shouldn't have done this shouldn't have done that because we lost the game How do you want it to know? I don't think anyone would be sitting there going. Oh, well, we should have got through a for job But what I mean, I don't know what my answer actually is because of course I'd like us to keep going for it. I like the football we're playing. I like exciting football. Jack, what do you feel on that? You're a Closet Man
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Speaker 5: United fan obviously.
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Speaker 6: Do you know what? I'm not even. I'm not. I just love Roy Keane. I'm a QPR fan. Okay, fair enough. Sorry. Yeah. My favourite player is Adults Rat by the way. Actually, it's not even. It's Sean Darry. We're too ridiculous. I love Sean Darry.
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Speaker 1: What do
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Speaker 5: you think? What's your philosophy? Would you say, no, let's keep going. Let's get 345, or would you be like, you know what, sharp shot, professional job. Let's get out of here.
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Speaker 6: See, this is a difficult question because you know what I'm like I'm I'm not gonna I'm gonna go for it yeah I was genuinely as just just me nothing to do with the team not gonna do with steve whoever else in my head I am not I don't know what the best way to put this is. I'm not going to be scared of anything. I could say something else which came to my head but I'm not going to say that. I am not going to be scared. I would bloody go for it. I do not and
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Speaker 6: I think from watching whatever we're doing, off the pitch, on the pitch, the fact that I have so much insight is brilliant, but like all of it, the thing that Steve is instilling in them, And it's going to take a while because all these lads are under the age of 25, 24. It's going to take a while, but it is turning them into killers. And it is saying, like, I don't care. I am going to kill you. And that's what I like. And that's why growing up, whenever I watched United, that was always the very Ferguson
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Speaker 6: thing. And I think we're going to get to that. And that's what we tried to do yesterday. And we will get to that at some point. It's just like we all know, you'd be silly if you don't know what we've done in the summer and who we've got and what we've done. You'd be silly to think that that's what's going to happen straight off the bat.
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Speaker 1: Totally agree. Yeah, I totally agree. I think there's no reason to be despondent or down after yesterday because I thought we played such good football particularly first half. I think
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Speaker 6: it was just
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Speaker 1: the naivety maybe given the use of the team I think that was all they want.
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Speaker 5: Hindsight is beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. You can go oh no we should have shut up shop. But with everything absolutely brilliantly and going for it. Why would we stop?
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Speaker 6: Why not? No. We're sitting there at 2 and a half time thinking that we should have been 4 or 5 up. And anybody who's in the away end, like realistically you've traveled up to near Newcastle. You want to see 5 or 6 goals, you don't want to just sit there and it's turning a lot. Like honestly, like that was me sitting filming up in the gantry. Like you want to blow them out of the water and we were incredibly close to doing that. Honestly, and Steve would say this as well we should have gone in at
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Speaker 6: halftime 4 or 5 now yeah we should have that's not that's very normal
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Speaker 5: no I I agree I it is 1 of those things it's really easy to look at and and I know we're all gonna agree on the same thing so I'm not going to keep going on about it but it's easy to sort of react to the result rather than how we're playing. I mean Rory, yes you're saying the same as you support whoever's in the chair and gave his support to Matt but the style of football is vastly vastly different.
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Speaker 1: It really is, it's quite noticeable isn't it, playing out from the back and it was yeah Not what I'm used to after the last few years.
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Speaker 5: Trusting each other with the ball.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 5: So they did make their substitutions. I think it was 4 at half time, which is obviously a bit of a telling off for the team. Were you surprised at how many substitutions or were you kind of like, oh to be fair he's got to do something?
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Speaker 1: Yeah I think given the precarious nature of the manager's position I think he had to do something. I think Evo may have made this up, I think, even though he made a change to, after about half an hour, I think 1 of them came off. Yeah, I think after we scored the 2, I'm sure, a few minutes later, he took off someone, and then made a triple change at half time so it was proper yeah going for it. So yeah it didn't really surprise me that they were gonna...
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Speaker 5: Yeah it had a fairly quick response and what was it 10 again 10 minutes and 12 12 minutes in or something. How will you after the first goal? Could you see it coming? Did you were you fearing the worst?
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Speaker 6: I don't know
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Speaker 1: what that thinks, but yeah, I was definitely fearing the worst. I think it was quite close after halftime. Just got the feeling that when that first 1 went in, their tails were really up. They seemed a lot more up for it. I think we looked a bit shell shocked, I guess after what a great first half we had, maybe we just weren't expecting that kind of response and that kind of reaction from Hartlepool. And then when it came, we looked a bit, yeah, rabbits in the headlight defending is how I think I describe it throughout most
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Speaker 1: of the second half really. It feels a bit, every time they got the ball it looked like they were going to go straight through us.
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Speaker 5: Jack, not wanting to blame you, but celebrating. I
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Speaker 6: will take all of the blame. All of the blame is on me. How
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Speaker 5: were the analysts looking at you at 2-2?
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Speaker 6: See, I'm trying not to say that. No, hold on. With the camera, I believe you can see when the switch was, and I don't think it was straight after half time. I think whenever the corner flag snapped, that's
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Speaker 1: when it changed.
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Speaker 6: And to me, it was very obvious and I was right above the Hartnepool fans as well, they were all confused. Why'd we throw the football on? No, our lads were passing around and they were all screaming, past us, past us. That's when I saw the momentum change genuinely. That's from somebody who's behind the camera. That's when I saw all of a sudden we didn't seem sluggish. I still think we were okay. It's just it changed. That's when the momentum changed.
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Speaker 1: So
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Speaker 5: we conceded another, we're 3-2 down. How were you thinking when your man Lewis brought us back to 3-3 later on Jack?
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Speaker 2: Were you
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Speaker 5: off the hook here or were you going to go for it and get another 1?
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Speaker 6: So, whenever Lewis scored I screamed so loudly that I had a whole home manned turn round and look at me and give me incredibly dirty looks. I was incredibly loud to the point where I definitely should not have been. They were a little bit annoyed. I was about to get into a fight with a lot of people from Tyneside, Newcastle, whatever, Hartlepool, I don't even know where we were at that stage, I was a deer in the head, like I was bloody, I was just, I had my fists up, I was ready to go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah,
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Speaker 6: It's 1 of the things where it's a positive. Lewis is brilliant. Holy goodness. Lewis Semper is a brilliant footballer. That is a great goal. That was, I think, if you look at a number of football teams, not just National League, wherever the hell you are, Chelsea at the minute with Cole Palmer, you have 1 guy who can do it himself. Lewis showed that he is our man who can do things by himself if things are done. That's what I liked. It's not just him as well. We have Jaden who can run the pitch by himself like
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Speaker 6: we now have lads even matters like we have lads Will Davis we have lads who genuinely can do it by themselves if we were down and that's why I like to put that.
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Speaker 5: What about yourself Rory How are you at the 3-3? I know it was only fleeting and brief but how were you at that point were you thinking again like that's it now we got ourselves out of it let's just chill or were you thinking now it's come back to us?
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Speaker 1: Yeah good point. Similar to Jack I definitely went for it when we scored it was yeah I think I Yeah, it was. I thought that the momentum might shift back for us. I thought we might then push on. And maybe we did. It's a bit hard to tell. Maybe we did push up a bit much.
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Speaker 6: I think it was very 50-50, wasn't it? Like as much as they scored, We still tried to push it up like it was weird. It was odd to deal with
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot going on. It was a really good match to be fair I mean it was really, yeah, I took my boy in, yeah, really, it was a really enjoyable match
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Speaker 5: 1 for the neutrals Yeah, exactly Whenever
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Speaker 1: I tell my mum about football match,
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Speaker 5: I'll say,
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, lots of goals must have been good
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Speaker 6: Lots of neutrals, I hate the neutrals
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Speaker 5: as we said already this is a young team a learning team yeah some of these things they need to go through this is you can't go for every single game winning because if you went for every single game winning you're never ever going to learn anything so yes whilst it's disappointing and yes I do get I'm in a different position where I didn't traipse all the way up there and spend all my time and money going up there and back again. But...
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Speaker 6: Disappointing. Yeah, it's disappointing. Really disappointing. You're not a real fan.
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Speaker 5: I know. I never pretended
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Speaker 6: to be. You're not. Jack Daly is there every week.
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Speaker 5: I never ever pretend to be. This is the thing. I don't pretend.
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Speaker 1: I know.
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Speaker 6: I'm only joking. I'm only joking. I said it
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Speaker 1: was Thursday
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Speaker 5: next week and everyone was
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Speaker 6: like... Really?
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Speaker 5: I was like, it's within the... To be
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Speaker 6: fair, I think they expect you to be there for absolutely everything I think they expect you not just for the matches but like to see the whole thing.
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Speaker 5: No, more than 90 minutes I'm out of it. Right, so again, lots of comments, social media is nice and easy to just chuck things out there. It's really simple. But is it a concern? I mean, is this a fact that we make the same mistake a few times? Yes, we should have learned of it. And Steve said, these are harsh lessons that we need to learn. It's not a case of we're gonna go, we got away with that. It's harsh. We're gonna have to learn from it and learn quickly. But is it a major concern or
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Speaker 5: is it something that the coaching staff are now gonna just get to work on and have to iron out those mistakes? Jack, I'll leave you form your opinion for a second. Rory, I'll start with you on that. What do you think is a concern or not?
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Speaker 1: No, I don't actually. I think just such a young team, I think it is just a big learning curve, isn't it? I think maybe we were a bit bullied yesterday by when they brought those players on, kind of physicality. I thought Charlie struggled a little bit particularly, kind of left back second half I thought. I thought the new bloke that came on Alex was really good. Kirk, yeah, he looked good on the ball. Good to kind of go and take it out. Yeah, I thought he looked really good. But no, I don't think it's a concern.
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Speaker 1: I think it's just a young team, knitting together lots of new players, still bringing in new players. It's going to take a bit of time to gel but I think the foundations are there in terms of the quality of football that we're playing the resilience as well to go from 2-0 down to then 2-0 up sorry to then 3-2 down and still bring it back and then still have that chance right at the end that was cleared off the line I think so that really good resilience so yeah I don't think it's anything to worry about
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Speaker 5: Jack did you want to answer? Do you want to take that 1? You're free to dodge it
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Speaker 6: No, no, I'll talk I'm quite good at talking sometimes I think there were a lot of positives, which sounds stupid and a lot of people are going to bloody hate me for saying it and they're going to think I'm very one-sided. But like you can see, I asked exactly the same things from Steve's interview afterwards and a lot of people have seen that. We scored 3 goals away from home, which honestly, as much as we did in 4 is a good thing. That overall is a good thing if we keep doing that that's 3 points wherever
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Speaker 6: we go. Alex Kirk came on and I'm not gonna lie look bloody fantastic like he looked like the ball-playing centre-back that we wanted. He's also 21 years of age. He is, he looked incredibly good. And he's ours, isn't he? Yes, he's full-time from Arsenal, he's done, he's ours. And Dylan was back who in pre-season and at Tamworth was our best player, like he was. That's not even me saying that from a club point of view he looked great over pre-season and against Tamworth. If it wasn't for him getting injured against Tamworth we probably would have won.
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Speaker 6: I genuinely believe that he looked that good against Tamworth. I hate to say it because if I was the fan of the football club, if this was the QPR podcast, I'd probably still say who cares? But genuinely, we have a team of 18 or 19 blokes, the majority who are under the age of 24 and they are learning and they're also looking great in certain matches. So at some stage, whether I think it's going to be this season, but it might be that season. Whenever they click, we are going. We are like a rocket ship, we
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Speaker 6: are going.
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Speaker 5: I've been saying, If we are thereabouts around Christmas time, it will get the Sean Miles relentness going on and it will just go on and on and steamroller.
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Speaker 6: I don't think I have a feeling with this season. I don't think that's it.
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Speaker 5: I have. I'm not going to change my mind until well after Christmas.
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Speaker 6: No, no, no, that's, I love your optimism, I love it, but I don't think, and that's not me saying oh next season we're going to win the league or we're going to ball up next season, like I think there's going to come a point, it could be November, it could be December, it could be January, it could be February. I do not know when it is, but after watching these lads consistently in training and matches in any of it, there's going to come a point where it clicks and they're going to turn into killers and we
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Speaker 6: are going to ball. We are going to go for it and I think that's where the positive is. As much as we've just gone down the league and you're like, I'd love to go straight back up the league, that still is a thing, but there's going to come a point where we just bloody go for it. That's what I can't wait for. I can't wait for all the people who have been chatting with Steve and I'm like, you are wrong. I can't wait for all the people who have been chatting with Steve I'm like you are
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Speaker 6: wrong. I can't wait for all the people who have been sharing with the players. You're wrong
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are going to go for it
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Speaker 5: Rory and we were saying earlier. I mean, I think I said telling the last season beginning this season Just want the fun. I just want to go to dance and have I Would good. So are you feeling that's that's there? I think I might have already asked you something similar feeling that's there at the moment and how do you feel? Do you think they're going to click sooner than Jack says or is it going to be next season?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I totally agree with you, Mike. I think it certainly yesterday, it felt like fun. I mean, much as like you say, I was a huge fan of Matt Gray, I loved Matt Gray, but the quality of football wasn't the most exciting to watch. And it's probably very predictable, whereas Steve's a lot more flexible, a lot more, he'll change stuff, he'll mix things up, which I really like. I like that kind of response to how games are going. I think just as I think Jack's put it really well in terms of that, that young, hungry,
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Speaker 1: really good quality on the ball as well all the players we've got. I think people like Vaz down the left, I thought he was really good, Jethro Fane. Just that technique to whip crosses in from the left-hand side. I thought, yeah, I think we've got so much positives in the team. We've got so much pace, athleticism, I think really encouraging. I think, yeah, I think we'll be there or thereabouts come the end of the season and I think we've got a real chance.
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Speaker 5: What you've said kind of is the question I was aiming towards. So after the game yesterday, obviously lots and lots of comments of sort that defence out, absolutely defence for a way, lost it to us, blah blah blah. But no 1 is saying where, when, how, who. They're just saying sort the defence out, but then you kind of sit there and go, okay well what about this player, oh no he's good, what about this player, no he's good, what about this 1.
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Speaker 6: Guitar during.
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Speaker 5: Okay but then earlier in the week as I'm sure Jack will confirm we signed a defender and all the comments were why on earth have we signed another centre-back? What do we need a centre-back for? So we sort of defend out but we don't sign any defenders So are they happy with the defense or what? None of us are, well, I don't know about Jack's qualifications, but I know Roy and I aren't qualified coaches.
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Speaker 1: But What can you do?
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Speaker 6: I mean, what? I'm a qualified coach, actually. Oh yeah. Thanks very much. Okay.
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Speaker 5: How can you sort out the defense?
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Speaker 6: I'd like to know from you lads first, actually. I just think we can get this out
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Speaker 5: of this.
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Speaker 6: That sounds stupid. I actually do have a couple of my badges but I would actually rather hear from you last
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Speaker 5: honestly not a clue and the outside of doing the old George Graham trying a rope around everyone but without it's not the offside is it's just you've got to have 1 thing about the other I know Steve and Josh corrected me by no Steve said we're gonna concede goals and he doesn't Do you have an answer? Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on what could happen? Because I don't know, I'm not even, I pay to watch football so I'm not even going to pretend that I've got an opinion on it. Rory?
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Speaker 1: Thanks Mike.
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Speaker 6: Welcome. Well it's not going to be me. As much as I have a little bit to say about it. Yeah, you can
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Speaker 1: definitely have more than me, I think. I guess I haven't seen that many games this season, I should say. I suppose yesterday, second half, it felt like we were a bit bullied, like I say. I think that will come, getting used to National League strikers and the physicalness of them. And then, you know, Hartlepool have got quite a few older ex-pro players that are a bit more physical. So I think maybe it's just working on that side of the game. Maybe that's the first thing. Maybe the second thing as well. Sounds really harsh because I love
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Speaker 1: Steve Arnold. I think he's a great shot stopper. I do worry about his distribution, which then puts the defence under a bit of pressure. There was a couple of times yesterday where he booed at our play where he could have, we tried to play it to whoever was right back second half. There was a couple of those where I think if we had a goalkeeper that could play out a bit more from the back, maybe that wouldn't put as much pressure on us, but maybe that's really harsh. But there'd be those 2 things, I'd say.
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Speaker 5: As with the magical 30-goal-a-season striker, if we had a goalkeeper who was
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Speaker 1: a good shot stopper and could play out from the back, they wouldn't be with us for very long. That's a good point, yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it would be quite simple. But you mentioned the defenders needing a bit of help with learning how to deal with physical strikers.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Not exactly a shrinking violet. But Jack, did you want to jump in or do you want to just move on to the next bit?
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Speaker 6: I'll talk about it.
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Speaker 5: Go on. What were your opinion on the defence pin? Is it something that needs sorting? Is it something that's going to be sorted?
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Speaker 6: I think and this sounds biased which you're going to hear it on paper we have 1 of the best defences in the league. And to be fair, actually, Rory would probably agree with me on that. On paper, we have a young, quick, strong defence. I think it's going to take time. That's all. Like genuinely that is all. We have some top quality everything. Not just right backs, centre backs, left backs, we have top quality, everything. And when it gets to a staging season where whoever, bloody, Yuval, Forest Green, any of them, somebody gets injured, we have
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Speaker 6: everything. Whenever we get used to playing the way that we can, because that is the major thing here. We're at the start of October and we have 19, it's now 19 new players. Whenever we get used to that, we are gonna bloody go for it. Whenever we get used to not just a new player coming in but the way we set up our back line, the way, whatever the hell we do, we are going to be bloody brilliant. That's personally my view. Brilliant. Which sounds a bit 1 sided but that is my view as a footballer.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, not as a certain United employee that is my view as a footballer.
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Speaker 1: We're always positive. I get shocked and powered out
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Speaker 5: for being positive. Rory, what were you going to say before we move on to the good, bad and funny?
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Speaker 2: No, I was
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Speaker 1: just going to say I think it's a great point that makes about strength in depth. I think that's not something that we've had certainly in the Matt Gray era, you could argue. Just having that sheer amount of quality players on the bench, people like Matt Rush and stuff that haven't played very much but quality players. And yeah, the sheer amount of defending, I think Chin was really good yesterday, certainly second half, and he seems to have been really good over the past month.
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Speaker 6: He's a great player.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, strength in depth I think will really serve us well, just as you say Jack, as we get towards winter time and the new year. So that's a really positive step.
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Speaker 5: I did say, which game it was, 1 of the home games, obviously, that the bench was interesting to look at the bench and you think you could make a case for every 1 of those players starting. Exactly. That's not something we're overly used to.
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Speaker 6: That's a great thing. Yeah. Jeez, that is such a brilliant thing.
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Speaker 5: And then you've got players like Jack Woodham just gone out on line.
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Speaker 6: 100% who you can still think would fit straight in. That man was 1 of the best players in National League South last year. By far, that's not even a competition, he was stunning.
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Speaker 5: Obviously something went fairly different on this 1. We chatted to Steele for another 10 more minutes or so where we were just finishing off with the Hartlepool match and looking ahead to Chirtsie and fairly confident. I think Rory went for a 4-2 win, Jack went for a 6-2 win, I went for a 3-0 win. But we then also discovered that Jack's mum and dad are coming over, so we'll get some good stories about Jack from them. But yes, thank you for listening to this episode of Something United, talk time on podcast, the Sutton podcast. We are
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Speaker 5: an association with Lucky Star Gin as always. Thank you to the guests, Jack and Rory. Sorry for chopping off the last 10 minutes of your conversation. Don't forget to leave us a review, like and share this podcast, at Sutton podcast and all your social medias and give us these thumbs up on YouTube and thanks for listening and your attention obviously. Take care, hope you enjoyed this episode and we'll see you soon. Bye bye.
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